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Visual reminder to oil change during break in (at 1000 miles)
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Reminder that the OEM filter is 50% of 20 micron sized particles, they prioritize flow over filtration.
Toyota does this because it means their filters are cheaper, since they're buying 99999 million of them from Denso each year.
There are Toyotas using OEM filters all their lives with 200-300k mi on them.
Balking at changing a $5 oil filter when you're doing 3k intervals is as silly as doing 3k intervals as a whole.
Toyota does this because it means their filters are cheaper, since they're buying 99999 million of them from Denso each year.
There are Toyotas using OEM filters all their lives with 200-300k mi on them.
Balking at changing a $5 oil filter when you're doing 3k intervals is as silly as doing 3k intervals as a whole.
easy middle ground. change oil and filter at 3-4k miles. oil and filters are cheap. never go to 10k miles, that's marketing fluff...
Agree. I have no qualms reusing the filter for the 2 oil changes I've done within the first 3000 miles, given Toyota expects you to leave it in for 10k. If the oil guy is right and NOT replacing it during these 3000 miles improves the filtration, great. If not, great; you're still strictly better off than the manual recommendations given you've changed the oil 3 times in 3k miles. I'm doing what he recommended:
ODO 500: drain/fill no filter
ODO 1500: drain/fill no filter
ODO 3000: normal oil change with filter
ODO 8000: normal oil change with filter, continuing every 5k
Fearmongering about keeping the factory filter for 3k mi total is hilarious
The US has been on ultra low sulphur gasoline since around 2021, aka 10ppm fuel.
In Central Europe, where they also use 10ppm fuel, their intervals can extend up to 2yrs/18,500mi.
You are very plainly throwing away money and resources changing at 3k-4k mi.
10k mi is fine on euro spec oil, and 5k is fine if you insist on using something like 0w-20 AFE.
It is not 1980 and you don't need 3k intervals, turbo timers, and header wraps.
I don’t care about the resources. I’m changing every 3k, regardless. The cost is pocket change. People can change at 10k or 50k, it’s their choice.
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Did John the troll delete his posts?
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I dont think he was trolling you, bud. You're obviously free to maintain how you see fit but you're going to encounter other opinions in this forum...some are useful & appreciated whereas some are not so much. Keep an open mind about something unless you can factually disprove some information.
Enjoy your Sport trim. I nearly bought it also but took a $500 loss to get the Sport Premium mainly because I wanted the factory upgraded JBL! sound system & the exterior camera system. In hindsight I wish I had I just paid the additional for the Limited trim.
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Agree, however expressing an opinion is one thing, implying that someone is unintelligent for what they are or want to do is another. We all want to gain from each other's experience and or knowledge. Criticism is uncalled for.
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As I believe I had stated before (in this thread or others), I think often times advice given by "experts" (such as a mechanic with many years of experience) is going on old information and stuck in that mode. I am *not* belittling their experience or opinion, but in my mind manufacturers have done a lot of research as to what is currently needed, and they have no incentive to recommend less frequent maintenance than should be done.
Yes, if you are hammering your vehicle more than average--say, lots of idling and/or slow in-town type driving--it should like be maintained more frequently (but the manual does say that).
As far as all the folks saying 10K oil changes are all marketing--that makes no sense to me at all. Marketing (and no, I do not have a high opinion on typical marketing methods) has nothing to do with maintenance, other than pushing the 2-year maintenance included. I mean, now many ads do you see that point out--even in tiny print, let alone something highlighted--that the oil has to be changed at 10K intervals?
As far as EPA or other incentives--mileage yes, I do not know if oil changes are even considered in such regulations. Yes, fewer changes are good for the environment. But are they part of EPA (or other country's equivalent) regulations? I am asking, not stating or being difficult.
As for comments about not caring about resources/mileage/whatever...I hope you do not truly mean that. If you mean "I accept the lesser (fill in blank here) because I believe it is necessary" then good, but I would hope everyone cares about these things.
Did I buy a 4runner for good MPG (I know this thread is not about MPG, but this comment is related)? No, obviously not--I was looking for a vehicle that met my needs/desires. Did I give more value to a vehicle that provided better MPG? Absolutely. It is one of the (not only) reason I decided on the 4Runner, and hybrid version, over the Bronco.
Yes, if you are hammering your vehicle more than average--say, lots of idling and/or slow in-town type driving--it should like be maintained more frequently (but the manual does say that).
As far as all the folks saying 10K oil changes are all marketing--that makes no sense to me at all. Marketing (and no, I do not have a high opinion on typical marketing methods) has nothing to do with maintenance, other than pushing the 2-year maintenance included. I mean, now many ads do you see that point out--even in tiny print, let alone something highlighted--that the oil has to be changed at 10K intervals?
As far as EPA or other incentives--mileage yes, I do not know if oil changes are even considered in such regulations. Yes, fewer changes are good for the environment. But are they part of EPA (or other country's equivalent) regulations? I am asking, not stating or being difficult.
As for comments about not caring about resources/mileage/whatever...I hope you do not truly mean that. If you mean "I accept the lesser (fill in blank here) because I believe it is necessary" then good, but I would hope everyone cares about these things.
Did I buy a 4runner for good MPG (I know this thread is not about MPG, but this comment is related)? No, obviously not--I was looking for a vehicle that met my needs/desires. Did I give more value to a vehicle that provided better MPG? Absolutely. It is one of the (not only) reason I decided on the 4Runner, and hybrid version, over the Bronco.
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