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FoRunna

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I'm not sure about this, to be honest.

The extra weight, reduced payload, and reduced cargo area is a big factor.

I agree that hybrid engines are great in the CRV/RAV4 segment, but I don't think it was anything other than a US emissions compromise choice in the 4R/Taco/LC250.
I don't think that was much of a consideration at all, to be honest. Toyota has been pretty clear from the beginning that the hybrid system isn't an economy-based hybrid, and that's reflected in the way it performs.

If Toyota intended this to be used exclusively for mileage improvements, we would have a much higher capacity battery.
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I don't think that was much of a consideration at all, to be honest. Toyota has been pretty clear from the beginning that the hybrid system isn't an economy-based hybrid, and that's reflected in the way it performs.

If Toyota intended this to be used exclusively for mileage improvements, we would have a much higher capacity battery.
If this were anywhere else in the world, Toyota would fit the 2.8 GD6 diesel - which delivers 25mpg and 600mi of range out of a 21gal fuel tank in an equivalent Toyota Fortuner. It's also good for 201hp and 370 ft lbs of torque.

In fact they're fitting a 48v mild hybrid to the newer 2.8 Fortuners to net 30mpg.

We in the US get stuck with gasoline options because the EPA is very particular about NOx emissions.
 

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Yes CO/ZA. That is my feeling- all the factors you listed. Hybrid also great in the GH. It’s a big vehicle and gets 33mpg. Cargo not impacted. But I can understand why some 4H owners also love it. The early torque is nice. It’s all about use case. Good to have options.
Exactly. Buy what makes sense for you not what others think is 'best' or 'better'.
 

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If this were anywhere else in the world, Toyota would fit the 2.8 GD6 diesel - which delivers 25mpg and 600mi of range out of a 21gal fuel tank in an equivalent Toyota Fortuner. It's also good for 201hp and 370 ft lbs of torque.

In fact they're fitting a 48v mild hybrid to the newer 2.8 Fortuners to net 30mpg.

We in the US get stuck with gasoline options because the EPA is very particular about NOx emissions.
Yeah you're spot on there. The EPA is pretty damn lame.
 

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The hybrid version versus the non-hybrid version share the same engine block!
The only difference is the hybrid is paired with an electric motor.

I force max! Or iForce. Same engine just hybrid is paired with an electric motor. Real simple.

Hybrid is great in a RAV4 or smaller but losing cargo space as well as having the Hokie fold down rear seats, added weight and complexity is definitely a choice.
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