6th Gen Owners: What's one thing you'd change about the Truck?

[Dead Horse]

I am still a bit confused to the problem--when I put the driver seat all the way back as far as it goes there is still plenty of room to tumble the back seat all the way up. A couple things i thought of:

I have a 2025 ORP that has the fully power seats. Do you have this or the manual ones? Maybe manual ones move back farther?

Also I think both that commented here about the problem have very new vehicles--perhaps 2026? Maybe Toyota changed something, like letting the front seat slide back farther?

I'm only 5'11" tall, and I know what he's talking about.

If I drop the seat down to the lowest, recline it, and slide it rearwards, it won't even go all the way back without the rear seat drilling into my back through the backrest...And that's without the rear seats folded/tumbled at all. Sleeping in the driver's seat showed me that it cannot be operated to its extremes without the back seat hitting it.

6'5" would probably have the seat down and back all the way and I can absolutely see how a folded/tumbled rear seat would press on the spine of the driver.

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[JustSomeGuy]

6'5" would probably have the seat down and back all the way and I can absolutely see how a folded/tumbled rear seat would press on the spine of the driver.

Thanks for verifying I am not crazy!

 

[Frankn8or]

2-3" more legroom in the 2nd Row seat. Throwback to the 1st Gen with a removable hardtop

 

[josiahg52]

Thanks for verifying I am not crazy!

You're not crazy, it's just my arms or legs must be shorter so I adjust the seat farther forward than you even though we're probably close to the same height.

 

[RunnerRocks]

2-3" more legroom in the 2nd Row seat. Throwback to the 1st Gen with a removable hardtop

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[Wandering Sagebrush]

Like, how? I get no nanny warnings about any of these things. There are sign indicators that show up, but they're signs like, pedestrian crossing signs, speed signs, stop signs, yield signs, etc., and they're quite small and there is no associated sound. The seat belt warning stops chiming after 30 seconds or and then there's a tiny seatbelt guy in the lower part of the cluster. I'm quite impressed with the connectivity, too. Android Auto takes about 10 seconds to load, if I used it last. Some of UI choices Google has made are annoying, but it works. Most of the time, I'm using standard Bluetooth and it's been working fine. Lane keeping is respectable, so far. It's annoying (in every vehicle) in that it takes control, but it works and I have it on max sensitivity right now.

I just don't understand why my perception of some things and experiences seem so at odds so far. Expectations and opinions abound, but some of these seem bewildering to me.

I will qualify this by saying I've only had the vehicle for DAYS, I am the only operator, and I am completely disconnected from Toyota and any and all connected services and I'm probably not operating on the same (or even similar) roads and weather, and traffic, etc., so it's early yet and my use case may be unique.

Josiah, I am starting year 79 in 12 days. Our first phone was a crank model, and the older I get… the crankier I am (the groaner humor is gratis). While I am an IT retiree, technology has left me in the dust. I want simple, KISS kind of simple.

 

[josiahg52]

Josiah, I am starting year 79 in 12 days. Our first phone was a crank model, and the older I get… the crankier I am (the groaner humor is gratis). While I am an IT retiree, technology has left me in the dust. I want simple, KISS kind of simple.

I get you, believe me. I'm 45. I only last few years stating using my credit union's apps. This is the first time using Google apps (except for Play Store, Drive, and Maps) on my phone; the rest are disabled from day one. I've never used Android Auto ever so this is my first foray. If Toyota hadn't hidden basic navigation that is included on my 2001 M5 and 2011 X5 behind a subscription paywall, I wouldn't be using it today. I'm pissed that I have to carry a 14 year old Garmin (with FM traffic and real time rerouting, no less!!!!) in my $70k vehicle because "cloud services." My last "new" car is my 2018 Ram, but it's Tradesman, manual transmission and transfer case, diesel, and tells me nothing. My 2011 X5 with 195k miles is a perfect confluence of modernity and simpleness. Good voice command capability, non-cellular based GPS and FM traffic, Bluetooth, basic cruise control, good, key fob based driver's profiles for radio stations, HVAC controls, audio and sound system preferences and favorites, seat positions (memories, too), no driver assists and really pertinent warnings etc., etc. It's a BMW of old where Driving Dynamics was truly a thing and the driver's experience was extremely important. Now they're just soulless vehicles, capable, full of technology, but just a race to the bottom with the rest of the drivel.

When it comes to technology and all this stuff, the question is simple. Does it improve my workflow and life? Many of these things absolutely do not. They're there because of nanny state politicians and government mindset that we must drive down to the lowest common denominator, to the idiot and careless levels. Not saying I or any of us are near perfect, probably just lucky, or that these systems haven't saved people from accidents. I think they breed inattentiveness in a society where we can hardly pay attention to anything. That means it's just not a simple Blind Spot MONITOR. It's an active CONTROL system that intervenes to prevent you from merging into that CLEARLY visible car you didn't look for that you almost hit because you also weren't paying attention to the BSM warning indicator. It's why we have active automatic braking and PKSB, too. Although, I admit, I do like the adaptive cruise control: slowing you down and keeping you at a fixed distance, coming to a full stop and gets you moving again when traffic does is pretty neat. Thing is, I don't trust it. I'm still paying attention with my foot over the brake pedal. Unfortunately, that's not how some treat these driver assist systems and they pine for the day when they can truly sleep while riding in their car to work.

In the end, despite what I read, what I knew, or what I expected, the 4Runner appealed to me and I accepted the potential negatives and bought one. None of these things were surprising to me or truly unexpected. In some ways, things that I thought I would have a hard time getting over either haven't come to fruition or aren't that bad at all. Is that because I have had it for a week and driven 400 miles? Is that because I opted out of Toyota Connected Services data agreement, haven't downloaded or registered with the app, and disabled the DCM? I don't know, but for me, if the worst I have to deal with is a few street sign icons initially and can tone down some of the assist systems (I've just left it all alone for the time being to see how bad/intrusive it is), I'll take it. There there was enough information out there for me to make an informed decision.

 

[bakutheleo]

@Wandering Sagebrush, @josiahg52 and other old fogies (please read that with the kindness, respect, and levity I intend!)

I do not agree with the comments about these safety features being nanny features, politician driven or otherwise. I do absolutely agree with your comment that they are assist features, and the driver still needs to be fully attentive.

I ended up enabling (or leaving enabled) all those features, although I turned down the sensitivity on at least one (in heavy traffic it makes sense to me to react just a bit later) and I have been happy with them. I still have my foot ready, and often I take over as I can anticipate what is going on better than any current sensor system. However, I see them as something that makes my driving safer. They react even if I am distracted (I try not to let that happen, but everyone gets distracted at some point--probably more often than they think) and likely more quickly. If the automatic systems detect a problem first it starts reacting as I would so effectively gives me more time to do what I would (and do) normally do.

Some of the features take a bit getting used to. One (I forget exactly which acronym, but the one that will start to slow me down if I approach a vehicle too fast without cruise control on) I disabled at first. After a while I enabled it, and found I got used to it pretty quickly. Does it engage sometimes when unnecessary? Yes. However, it is a very gentle slowing so not a problem, and does not startle me. If it reacts strong enough to make my heart jump it was probably a good thing! It has only made me jump a little a couple times when parking--I got closer than it liked to a soft bush and screamed at me and applied brakes. Made me jump a little, but I was going very slowly and it was not an unreasonable action (the bush was not a problem, but then again I really did not need to back up more).

In case you think I am another teenager or something, I will be 62 this year. I will admit I am more technology aware/accepting than many (I am in the IT field and started with technology, as much as existed, early), but I did start out with basic cars with manual transmissions (I was driving a manual until about 2014). I have never liked the reason "because it has always been that way" .

 

[Archer]

@Wandering Sagebrush, @josiahg52 and other old fogies (please read that with the kindness, respect, and levity I intend!)

I do not agree with the comments about these safety features being nanny features, politician driven or otherwise. I do absolutely agree with your comment that they are assist features, and the driver still needs to be fully attentive.

I ended up enabling (or leaving enabled) all those features, although I turned down the sensitivity on at least one (in heavy traffic it makes sense to me to react just a bit later) and I have been happy with them. I still have my foot ready, and often I take over as I can anticipate what is going on better than any current sensor system. However, I see them as something that makes my driving safer. They react even if I am distracted (I try not to let that happen, but everyone gets distracted at some point--probably more often than they think) and likely more quickly. If the automatic systems detect a problem first it starts reacting as I would so effectively gives me more time to do what I would (and do) normally do.

Some of the features take a bit getting used to. One (I forget exactly which acronym, but the one that will start to slow me down if I approach a vehicle too fast without cruise control on) I disabled at first. After a while I enabled it, and found I got used to it pretty quickly. Does it engage sometimes when unnecessary? Yes. However, it is a very gentle slowing so not a problem, and does not startle me. If it reacts strong enough to make my heart jump it was probably a good thing! It has only made me jump a little a couple times when parking--I got closer than it liked to a soft bush and screamed at me and applied brakes. Made me jump a little, but I was going very slowly and it was not an unreasonable action (the bush was not a problem, but then again I really did not need to back up more).

In case you think I am another teenager or something, I will be 62 this year. I will admit I am more technology aware/accepting than many (I am in the IT field and started with technology, as much as existed, early), but I did start out with basic cars with manual transmissions (I was driving a manual until about 2014). I have never liked the reason "because it has always been that way" .

I just turned 63 and I do respect your point of view but I'm on Joshuag52's side on this one.

Everything you say is true and overall may be a good thing for some but I think this kind of technology allows us to take less personal responsibility therefore not exercising all of our natural facilities and it's softening the western society to a critical point.

Jumps off soap box...


I have the ones that have to be disabled every time on their lowest settings left on only because it's a PITA every time you start the car to disable them and the rest turned off.

Honestly the one's I leave on really haven't been too intrusive.

I turn everything off in 4WD.

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[josiahg52]

@Wandering Sagebrush, @josiahg52 and other old fogies (please read that with the kindness, respect, and levity I intend!)

I do not agree with the comments about these safety features being nanny features, politician driven or otherwise. I do absolutely agree with your comment that they are assist features, and the driver still needs to be fully attentive.

I ended up enabling (or leaving enabled) all those features, although I turned down the sensitivity on at least one (in heavy traffic it makes sense to me to react just a bit later) and I have been happy with them. I still have my foot ready, and often I take over as I can anticipate what is going on better than any current sensor system. However, I see them as something that makes my driving safer. They react even if I am distracted (I try not to let that happen, but everyone gets distracted at some point--probably more often than they think) and likely more quickly. If the automatic systems detect a problem first it starts reacting as I would so effectively gives me more time to do what I would (and do) normally do.

Some of the features take a bit getting used to. One (I forget exactly which acronym, but the one that will start to slow me down if I approach a vehicle too fast without cruise control on) I disabled at first. After a while I enabled it, and found I got used to it pretty quickly. Does it engage sometimes when unnecessary? Yes. However, it is a very gentle slowing so not a problem, and does not startle me. If it reacts strong enough to make my heart jump it was probably a good thing! It has only made me jump a little a couple times when parking--I got closer than it liked to a soft bush and screamed at me and applied brakes. Made me jump a little, but I was going very slowly and it was not an unreasonable action (the bush was not a problem, but then again I really did not need to back up more).

In case you think I am another teenager or something, I will be 62 this year. I will admit I am more technology aware/accepting than many (I am in the IT field and started with technology, as much as existed, early), but I did start out with basic cars with manual transmissions (I was driving a manual until about 2014). I have never liked the reason "because it has always been that way" .

I know they work and do prevent accidents. I don't know if I've driven without an accident or collision over the decades without any of them for 100s of thousands of miles because I'm good, or lucky. Right now they're all on in my 4Runner except I turned down the PCS and it's only on because it's required for adaptive cruise control. It's not bad. I really wish they could be turned off permanently if an owner chooses. That they cannot moves them from a true aid or assistance system to nanny system mandated by hand-wringers and politicians who must save everyone, in my opinion. I also realize saving them also saves me, ironically. From them.

 

[Irish89rmf]

I love my ORP. I am a huge fan of the Everest color. Very unique and I don’t see many driving around locally.

A couple of changes I would make would be:
1) Rain sensing wipers. I miss this feature from my ‘19 Audi SQ5
2) Dual climate control - my wife and I like very different temp settings
3) Bigger gas tank would be fantastic - my range is about 330 miles with a full tank. Previous cars had a range of 400+, my wife’s hybrid Highlander is over 500.
4) I didn’t purchase this because it had great mpg, but at a little over 3,000 miles, I have been averaging about 20 mpg, well below the advertised 23-24. I run in Eco mode pretty much all the time.

 

[Tarekith]

Try running in Sport Mode, it sounds counter-intuitive but I actually get my best mileage in that mode (when I drive the same way as the other modes).

 

[Frankn8or]

Awesome Avatar !!

Thanks...

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