Nightmare at 10,000 miles on TRD ORP Hybrid?

[CO/ZA]

I'm really sorry this happened to you.

However, these are the issues I was worried about with a hybrid. You're significantly increasing the systems that can fail. Two drivetrains, degradation, complex software, weight, complex cooling systems, etc etc. With a hybrid vehicle you get the worst of both worlds in terms of issues. All for what? To save a couple of bucks at the gas station?

I was so surprised when Toyota said they were making hybrid 4runners, even more so that the majority of people would actually be interested.

You're not entirely wrong; on one had the hybrid systems Toyota makes are extremely long lived and reliable.

However, if this were any other market we would be able to option the 2.8 1GD-FTV turbo diesel like they put in other comperable Toyota models around the world.

Reason we're stuck with the hybrid gimmicks is due to the tighter US/CAN emissions regulations for small vehicles.

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[HVLA]

I'm really sorry this happened to you.

However, these are the issues I was worried about with a hybrid. You're significantly increasing the systems that can fail. Two drivetrains, degradation, complex software, weight, complex cooling systems, etc etc. With a hybrid vehicle you get the worst of both worlds in terms of issues. All for what? To save a couple of bucks at the gas station?

I was so surprised when Toyota said they were making hybrid 4runners, even more so that the majority of people would actually be interested.

You realize Toyota has been building hybrid vehicles for 30 years right? This isnt a hybrid problem. It is a battery or a dumb dealer tech doing something wrong problem.

 

[fur_runner]

You're not entirely wrong; on one had the hybrid systems Toyota makes are extremely long lived and reliable.

However, if this were any other market we would be able to option the 2.8 1GD-FTV turbo diesel like they put in other comperable Toyota models around the world.

Reason we're stuck with the hybrid gimmicks is due to the tighter US/CAN emissions regulations for small vehicles.

You realize there are no emissions/CAFE (or crash) regulations on light trucks?

 

[CO/ZA]

You realize there are no emissions/CAFE (or crash) regulations on light trucks?

Don't worry, the EPA does provide rules on it.

https://www.epa.gov/regulations-emi...ule-multi-pollutant-emissions-standards-model

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/ATAG/2017/595363/IPOL_ATA(2017)595363_EN.pdf

The US EPA heavily weights emissions like NOx, PM, CO, etc. which does not favor small diesels. The medium duty segment, like F-350s, is regulated to a large degree and requires DEF system, ECU controls, etc. to minimise these.

The EU and RoW allows for small diesels because they rather look at CO2 fleet averages.

The USA and especially California are very strict with diesel emissions standards.

Hence why you're not driving a 2.8 GD6 diesel Toyota and instead having to deal with a hybrid petrol machine.

 

[mars001]

Chevy still sells small 3.0 diesel in their 1500 pickup trucks...

 

[CO/ZA]

Chevy still sells small 3.0 diesel in their 1500 pickup trucks...

Yes with a DEF system and all that 9 yards.

Some diesels get through, like the Isuzu ones GM uses or Mercedes Benz with their Sprinters.

 

[NotApplicable]

Don't worry, the EPA does provide rules on it.

https://www.epa.gov/regulations-emi...ule-multi-pollutant-emissions-standards-model

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/ATAG/2017/595363/IPOL_ATA(2017)595363_EN.pdf

The US EPA heavily weights emissions like NOx, PM, CO, etc. which does not favor small diesels. The medium duty segment, like F-350s, is regulated to a large degree and requires DEF system, ECU controls, etc. to minimise these.

The EU and RoW allows for small diesels because they rather look at CO2 fleet averages.

The USA and especially California are very strict with diesel emissions standards.

Hence why you're not driving a 2.8 GD6 diesel Toyota and instead having to deal with a hybrid petrol machine.

Why can we get duramax Tahoes? Are those exempt?

not that the lz0 inspires much confidence

 

[watchbuzz]

So the OP just had a dead (12v) battery right?

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