Aftermarket suspension options to improve ride quality (TRD ORP)

[4jogger]

The problem is most likely the shocks having poor valving, not the springs themselves. The thread I linked had an owner who mentioned installing only the Fox 2.0 shocks fixed the ride quality. If you do decide to get the Fox 2.0 shocks, please let us know if it fixes the ride.

That's my feelings as well. The car still has quite a bit of body roll which implies either soft springs or under damped low speed compression. I think shocks with softer high speed compression valving will make the car ride less rough.

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[BRunner]

I'm hoping Eibach comes out with their non hybrid kit soon. Similar in price to the Fox stuff but the fronts can be adjust on the vehicle with it on jacks, no need for a spring compressor.

I ran Fox 2.0 on my 2019 and it was so very much better than the stock suspension that felt incredibly sloppy.

 

[BRunner]

I spoke with Eibach today, the non hybrid kit is in development now. I hope to see this make it to the market in the next couple months!

 

[JR_Ontario]

Glad that more options will be coming available!

I am still doing as much research as possible before making a purchase decision, and am leaning to the Limited with Front Active Variable Suspension.

Therefore a few more questions.

1) Can the Front AVS shocks on a Limited be replaced without the computer giving a bunch of error codes?

or

2) Would there be a noticeable benefit by replacing the rear shocks only (and keeping the AVS Front Shocks)?


J

 

[NotApplicable]

Glad that more options will be coming available!

I am still doing as much research as possible before making a purchase decision, and am leaning to the Limited with Front Active Variable Suspension.

Therefore a few more questions.

1) Can the Front AVS shocks on a Limited be replaced without the computer giving a bunch of error codes?

or

2) Would there be a noticeable benefit by replacing the rear shocks only (and keeping the AVS Front Shocks)?


J

AFAIK AVS is all 4 corners, not just front

 

[JR_Ontario]

AFAIK AVS is all 4 corners, not just front

Interesting! The Canada Toyota page states "Adaptive Variable Front Suspension". I just checked the US page, and it does not specify "FRONT". So either we have a different setup in Canada, or one of the webpages is incorrect. More research required, lol.

 

[NotApplicable]

Interesting! The Canada Toyota page states "Adaptive Variable Front Suspension". I just checked the US page, and it does not specify "FRONT". So either we have a different setup in Canada, or one of the webpages is incorrect. More research required, lol.

You know what, maybe there is no rear AVS. Looking at my front shocks, there is a wire that is attached to the top of them. Looking at my rear, there’s not. So unless it connects at a different location in the rear shocks, I’m not sure how the AVS setting would be communicated to them.

if that’s true, I wonder what variant of shock the limited has in the rear. Is it the same as the sr5, the sport, something different?

my rear shocks have a number on them of 48530-35320 manufactured by tokico Japan.

 

[JR_Ontario]

You know what, maybe there is no rear AVS. Looking at my front shocks, there is a wire that is attached to the top of them. Looking at my rear, there’s not. So unless it connects at a different location in the rear shocks, I’m not sure how the AVS setting would be communicated to them.

if that’s true, I wonder what variant of shock the limited has in the rear. Is it the same as the sr5, the sport, something different?

my rear shocks have a number on them of 48530-35320 manufactured by tokico Japan.

Thanks for checking NotApplicable!

This should make it easier to swap out rear shocks on the Limited.

J

 

[CBR]

Wondering if there's any solution for Limited owners yet?

@alldogsoffroad do you sell a rear-only version of fox 2.0 that is compatible with AVS?

 

[PierceVonCloud]

Doesn't the car actually feel more under sprung and over damped on high speed compression?

I'm leaning towards under damped during high speed compression. Keep in mind that this is my opinion on my vehicle (OR Hybrid). Compression is what controls the unsprung mass and the rear axle seems worse than the front in this respect. On a big bump it feels like the rear axle oscillates so much that transfers all that energy to the vehicle. Frankly, it feels like there are no rear shocks at all sometimes. Then, over smaller unbroken pavement bumps, the car is just constantly vibrating/jittery because each corner has no control over it's unsprung mass. I'll be putting on some Fox 2.5 Performance shocks on the rear this weekend. Once I see what they help, I'll decide if I'll be putting the 2.5's on the front as well.

 

[Crose1695]

King 2.5 adjustable all around on mine. Icon rear coils. Way better than stock. And im on E rated 35” RT Trails. Even with the clicks set at full soft it is night and day with body roll. A few clicks and body roll is gone. Worth every penny. Still feel some small bumps but that’s expected with any body on truck and with super stiff 35’s. Not to mention how much better the ride is off road and with some speed.

 

[PierceVonCloud]

King 2.5 adjustable all around on mine...

I'd consider those. Do they work with stock ride height (i.e., stock front UCA's?) My OR is completely stock and I plan on keeping it that way once I get it to ride like it's not a giant spring with wheels.

 

[porkyfly]

apparently land cruiser shocks fix the problem...
https://www.4runner6g.com/forum/threads/land-cruiser-shocks-installed-on-2025-4runner-trd-orp.9118/

 

[PierceVonCloud]

The OP says in his last paragraph of the first post that "Over all it doesn't ride that much different". That's not very comforting. As completely messed up the red Bilsteins are on the OR's, I wouldn't spend a dime on any factory shock from Toyota for this platform unless I was able to drive it first.

 

[PierceVonCloud]

I'll start a separate thread this weekend, but just wanted to post here that my opinion seemed to be correct that the problem with the OR Red Bilsteins was primarily the rear axle. This may also be the case with other 6th Gen models that have similar ride issues. I put on a set of Fox Performance Series 2.5 rear shocks (P/N: 987-24-058) by myself in about an hour. The ride is so much better. The car is isolated from the road and the rear axle like it should be. I would say 80-90% of that "constant vibration", or "jittery" feeling is gone. The rear end feels much more like my 5th Gen now. It just feels planted and more isolated. Before anyone wants to start a debate on how its possible that replacing two shocks can solve more than 50% of the problem, I will say this - compression damping is what controls unsprung mass. On a 4Runner rear axle, that mass is several hundred pounds. If the compression damping is wrong, there will be serious problems. I won't make the final determination until I go on a long trip, but as of now I am so happy with it I may do anything to the front suspension at all.

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