iForce max (hybrid) vs iForce (non hybrid), pros and cons listed

[anorphirith]

Pros and cons of each setup, let me know what I missed

iForce pros (non hybrid):

1. lighter vehicle -375lbs
2. slightly faster acceleration
3. more cargo capacity +7.6cu/ft
4. less complex
5. cheaper starting msrp
6. no hybrid components, easier access to the engine components
7. better highway MPG
8. No need to swap the NiMH battery when it dies

iForce cons (non hybrid):

1. more stress on the newly designed turbo engine
2. potentially less durable since there's more stress on the turbo
3. more emissions
4. less power
5. lower power AC outlet 400w
6. less torque for 4Lo off-roading

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iForce max pros (hybrid):

1. less emissions
2. more power
3. less stress on the turbo
4. better city MPG
5. higher power AC outlet 2400w
6. more torque for 4Lo off-roading

iForce max cons (hybrid):

1. less cargo capacity -7.6cu/ft
2. slightly slower acceleration
3. more complex
4. heavier vehicle +375lbs
5. more expensive msrp
6. harder to access engine components for maintenance
7. worse highway mpg
8. NiMH battery will need to be swapped when it dies

(towing capacity for the TRD off road MAX and regular is actually the same, both rated at 6000lbs)

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[MikeLSV]

Add'l pro? After putting a hundred miles on a iForce Max ORP I would say the hybrid might have more dampened ride quality - 'weightier' / seems more planted. Given the added battery weight in the back perhaps better balanced?

Confirmed con. Definitely a big change in carrying capacity in trunk. I know I can work around it - but no comparison to the iForce trunk in person.

Have not gone off-road yet to check out those pros/cons.

 

[LLL1990]

more stress on the newly designed turbo engine

This engine is new to the 4Runner but it's not a new engine. It's now in its 4th year of production and is used in the Lexus NX, RX and TX, Toyota Highlander, Crown, Land Cruiser and Tacoma. By now there are hundreds of thousands of these engines in use and so far there are no problem areas.

 

[anorphirith]

This engine is new to the 4Runner but it's not a new engine. It's now in its 4th year of production and is used in the Lexus NX, RX and TX, Toyota Highlander, Crown, Land Cruiser and Tacoma. By now there are hundreds of thousands of these engines in use and so far there are no problem areas.

I’m sure there’s no inherent issues with the turbo engine

 

[balong48]

This engine is new to the 4Runner but it's not a new engine. It's now in its 4th year of production and is used in the Lexus NX, RX and TX, Toyota Highlander, Crown, Land Cruiser and Tacoma. By now there are hundreds of thousands of these engines in use and so far there are no problem areas.

Yeah Toyota can’t afford to screw up the this engine (T24A-FTS), it’s in too many products. The V35A-FTS (Turbo V6) in the Tundra, Sequoia, GX, LX, etc isn’t produced in the same capacity - I feel they’re not as worried about it, given the lingering issues with it. They can sorta afford to screw that one up.

 

[STAYFROSTY629]

Does anyone know how the Hybrid 4 runners cool down the turbos after a hard drive?

Does the Hybrid system auto stop the engine and turn into EV mode just before parking, or are you able to park and let the engine idle for a minute just to let the oil circulate in the turbo to allow the oil to cool and prevent cooking in the turbo?

I can't find an explanation of the oil cooling process for the 4 runner hybrid.

 

[LLL1990]

Does anyone know how the Hybrid 4 runners cool down the turbos after a hard drive?

Does the Hybrid system auto stop the engine and turn into EV mode just before parking, or are you able to park and let the engine idle for a minute just to let the oil circulate in the turbo to allow the oil to cool and prevent cooking in the turbo?

I can't find an explanation of the oil cooling process for the 4 runner hybrid.

The truck will take care of itself. If the truck goes to EV mode it means the computer is happy with all the temperatures, including the turbo. Remember the hybrid will go to EV mode anytime it deems acceptable when it's stopped, not just parking.

 

[theo]

Waste of money you still cans towed more that 6,000. You don’t need almost 500lbs of torque getting stuck in mud

 

[HVLA]

Waste of money you still cans towed more that 6,000. You don’t need almost 500lbs of torque getting stuck in mud

"need"?

 

[LARIN]

Add, who needs the extra towing power on a short wheel based vehicle that you should in real world only safely tow about 3k before white nuckling it. Although in theory it may ride better on pavement

 

[HVLA]

Need has nothing to do with my purchase decision. None of us "need" a $50-$70k suv.

 

[twilkos203]

I live in CT, so off-roading is really not much of an option. I also own a 2025 TRD Pro and love it, with the sole exception of what I’m getting for mpg in a hybrid.
If your buying a new 4Runner for the power and want to spend the extra $10k for off roading, then by all means, buy a hybrid. If additional power is not the goal, then save your money and buy all gas. If I had to buy one again, I’d buy the TRD Off Road Premium with the all gas engine and some options.

 

[FoRunna]

Does anyone know how the Hybrid 4 runners cool down the turbos after a hard drive?

Does the Hybrid system auto stop the engine and turn into EV mode just before parking, or are you able to park and let the engine idle for a minute just to let the oil circulate in the turbo to allow the oil to cool and prevent cooking in the turbo?

I can't find an explanation of the oil cooling process for the 4 runner hybrid.

No, it won't and you don't need it. I'm not sure why this topic keeps coming up everywhere, possibly driven by people who don't understand turbos.

This engine is a very modern twin-scroll turbo, very different than the archaic old-style journal bearing turbos of the 90's. It, and the modern oiling system, are more than capable of keeping the turbo cool while you're commuting in traffic.

Unless you're running the engine hard (and I mean flat out) for several minutes at a time, your EGT's won't be high enough to matter, and your turbo won't be anywhere near hot enough to need to cool before stopping.

This idea comes from the concept of Turbo Timers, which is an ancient technology that comes from the 90's, when old journal bearing turbos needed time to cool but even in most of the applications that used it, it was completely unnecessary. Being around 700-1000whp turbo cars almost every day, I can't tell you when the last time was that I saw a car with a turbo timer, or even saw a turbo that failed.

 

[JR1]

No, it won't and you don't need it. I'm not sure why this topic keeps coming up everywhere, possibly driven by people who don't understand turbos.

This engine is a very modern twin-scroll turbo, very different than the archaic old-style journal bearing turbos of the 90's. It, and the modern oiling system, are more than capable of keeping the turbo cool while you're commuting in traffic.

Unless you're running the engine hard (and I mean flat out) for several minutes at a time, your EGT's won't be high enough to matter, and your turbo won't be anywhere near hot enough to need to cool before stopping.

This idea comes from the concept of Turbo Timers, which is an ancient technology that comes from the 90's, when old journal bearing turbos needed time to cool but even in most of the applications that used it, it was completely unnecessary. Being around 700-1000whp turbo cars almost every day, I can't tell you when the last time was that I saw a car with a turbo timer, or even saw a turbo that failed.

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Nodak]

the only downside, you need to do oil changes max 5000 miles, some prefer 3-4k changes but adm at ccnut recommends 5k as a max regardless if NA or turbo

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