iForce max (hybrid) vs iForce (non hybrid), pros and cons listed

[HVLA]

I would never go past 5k on an oil change on any vehicle I own.

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[kekecarioca]

Pros and cons of each setup, let me know what I missed

iForce pros (non hybrid):

1. lighter vehicle -375lbs
2. slightly faster acceleration
3. more cargo capacity +7.6cu/ft
4. less complex
5. cheaper starting msrp
6. no hybrid components, easier access to the engine components
7. better highway MPG
8. No need to swap the NiMH battery when it dies

iForce cons (non hybrid):

1. more stress on the newly designed turbo engine
2. potentially less durable since there's more stress on the turbo
3. more emissions
4. less power
5. lower power AC outlet 400w
6. less torque for 4Lo off-roading

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iForce max pros (hybrid):

1. less emissions
2. more power
3. less stress on the turbo
4. better city MPG
5. higher power AC outlet 2400w
6. more torque for 4Lo off-roading

iForce max cons (hybrid):

1. less cargo capacity -7.6cu/ft
2. slightly slower acceleration
3. more complex
4. heavier vehicle +375lbs
5. more expensive msrp
6. harder to access engine components for maintenance
7. worse highway mpg
8. NiMH battery will need to be swapped when it dies

(towing capacity for the TRD off road MAX and regular is actually the same, both rated at 6000lbs)

Another few Hybrid pros (characteristics):

-regen braking ( longer brake pad life)
-you can feel the extra torque on daily driving.
-It goes on EV mode more often than I thought it would. You can coast down from an avenue into a neighborhood and curse for a while in EV only. it seems to do it more often if battery is over half full.
-A/C runs for a good while with engine off.

 

[Nodak]

Another few Hybrid pros (characteristics):

-regen braking ( longer brake pad life)

negated by using radar cruise control in town or busy highways. the new gen tundra people have been going thru brake pads in as quickly as 20k miles using radar cruise control since it is applying the brakes to maintain distance to vehicle in front.

thats why they added a warning light to the MID screen to show when the brakes are applied in radar cruise control. but thats not the only reason for the warning light.

 

[kekecarioca]

negated by using radar cruise control in town or busy highways. the new gen tundra people have been going thru brake pads in as quickly as 20k miles using radar cruise control since it is applying the brakes to maintain distance to vehicle in front.

thats why they added a warning light to the MID screen to show when the brakes are applied in radar cruise control. but thats not the only reason for the warning light.

I heard of that one on another post, that the rear brakes go sooner... Also someone else called BS on that. Let's see how these 4runners do on that aspect. If true, it won't affect me much since I tend to use radar cruise on back country roads or empty sections of highway.

 

[kekecarioca]

On the subject of engine setups :

I' ve been driving a Trailhunter for 3 weeks now. I drove around a non hybrid 4runner TRDORP yesterday (again) and my statement is :

- non hybrid is quite good on take off acceleration and throttle response. Plenty capable and acceptable for today's standards and impressive 4banger.

- Hybrid is next level in response and power delivery. YOU FEEL the torque on daily driving instantly : Passing is an ultra confident effort in tight situations.

 

[LARIN]

Took my 2021 vehicle in at 50k no radar cruise and only needed rear brakes, I asked the tech that does not seem right, then asked around to other places to make sure I was not getting ripped off, this is what I found, because rear disc brakes plus abs and stability control, rear brake bias is used allot more.

 

[kekecarioca]

Took my 2021 vehicle in at 50k no radar cruise and only needed rear brakes, I asked the tech that does not seem right, then asked around to other places to make sure I was not getting ripped off, this is what I found, because rear disc brakes plus abs and stability control, rear brake bias is used allot more.

Now that you say that, we had to replace rear brakes on our 19' Forester @ 60k and currently @ 115k or so and front brakes are still "good".

 

[Everybodyduck]

Waste of money you still cans towed more that 6,000. You don’t need almost 500lbs of torque getting stuck in mud

Coffins don't come with pockets.

 

[TrdProGirl84]

I knew when I bought a SUV I’d be getting a TRD Pro. And it just so happened it’s a Hybrid model. So that’s why for me…

 

[calvincartier]

No, it won't and you don't need it. I'm not sure why this topic keeps coming up everywhere, possibly driven by people who don't understand turbos.

This engine is a very modern twin-scroll turbo, very different than the archaic old-style journal bearing turbos of the 90's. It, and the modern oiling system, are more than capable of keeping the turbo cool while you're commuting in traffic.

Unless you're running the engine hard (and I mean flat out) for several minutes at a time, your EGT's won't be high enough to matter, and your turbo won't be anywhere near hot enough to need to cool before stopping.

This idea comes from the concept of Turbo Timers, which is an ancient technology that comes from the 90's, when old journal bearing turbos needed time to cool but even in most of the applications that used it, it was completely unnecessary. Being around 700-1000whp turbo cars almost every day, I can't tell you when the last time was that I saw a car with a turbo timer, or even saw a turbo that failed.

Exactly. I’m so agreeing with u. Why are they keeping comparing this modern turbo engine to a Stone Age turbo. I mean jeez people.

 

[calvincartier]

I knew when I bought a SUV I’d be getting a TRD Pro. And it just so happened it’s a Hybrid model. So that’s why for me…

Same for me. In my case TRAIL HUNTER. Because I can and I go big I don’t go home. Simple as that. Do make to complicated.

 

[LLL1990]

Exactly. I’m so agreeing with u. Why are they keeping comparing this modern turbo engine to a Stone Age turbo. I mean jeez people.

Ford was the first to go to turbocharged engines in trucks back in 2011. They knew that this would be a hard sell so they had to prove a turbocharged engine not only can out perform a V8 but also be just as reliable and durable. If Ford can do it I'm sure Toyota can also.

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