Visual reminder to oil change during break in (at 1000 miles)

[matrixkiwi]

The reason to let the engine idle for a few minutes before switching off isn't to allow the overall engine oil temperature to reduce; it is specifically to allow the turbo to cool down so that the oil left in and around the turbo isn't going to "boil" or coke up. To exaggerate the situation, let's say you had been racing stop light to stop light (trying to get to work on time) for the last 30 minutes, and the turbo has been working extra hard, and the temperature of the turbo has elevated. Turbo timers are not as common as they used to be since engine manufacturers have improved the cooling capacity and design of turbos.

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[Dinosoar21]

Yes, thank you for posting...most persuasive argument since "The Oil Geek's" 20-plus minute video on the same topic.

 

[ShotsFired]

No I think 10k intervals is a horrible idea. I change mine at 5k. I dont really care that toyota recommends 10k and provides 2 oil changes. I really dont want them touching my car to begin with.

I agree 100%. The tech would probably strip the oil drain pug or start the engine without enough oil and never tell you.
On another note, is there a thread on oil filter sizes? Can that lawnmower filter be replaced with a larger capacity filter?

 

[ShotsFired]

My 1st change is getting done at about 300 miles & I'm exclusively using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with a CarQuest Premium oil filter moving forward.
Next oil & filter change at 500-600 miles, then 1k miles, then 2.5 k miles, then 4k miles & then every 4k miles until it croaks.
Air filter changes at 5k-6k miles.

Overkill? Maybe but again I'd rather change often & early to keep it optimal. I've got $9,200 worth of products installed on the vehicle so I need it to run the best it can for the next 15-20 years like my old Tundra still does.

I did first at 625 miles. second will be 1500. then every 3,000 until I die. oil isn't that expensive. Filter was not changed. Will be at 1500 and then every 6,000. Also, I too was amazed at how BLACK the 625 oil was. What's up with that?

 

[John2112]

I did first at 625 miles. second will be 1500. then every 3,000 until I die. oil isn't that expensive. Filter was not changed. Will be at 1500 and then every 6,000. Also, I too was amazed at how BLACK the 625 oil was. What's up with that?

There's no reason to change your oil if you're not going to change your filter. Filters aren't that expensive.

 

[ShotsFired]

I have a serious question, not intended to be snarky. For the people doing these early engine oil changes at or before ~1-2k miles, how come you don't do the transmission oil too? Isn't it pretty likely you'd see the same fine metal debris in the transmission pan's oil as a "normal" outcome with a brand new transmission?

Plus, Toyota has had recent issues/failures with both transmissions and engines having excessive debris that wasn't properly flushed after assembly. Or at least that is what they claim led to those failures and subsequent recalls.

Good idea. I'm looking at that but the 2025 only has one plug to drain and a stand pipe. How to get the new fluid in is my problem.

 

[ShotsFired]

There's no reason to change your oil if you're not going to change your filter. Filters aren't that expensive.

Watch the Oil Geek Video on filters. Filter manufacturer says a dirty filter (not plugged) filters better.

 

[John2112]

Watch the Oil Geek Video on filters. Filter manufacturer says a dirty filter (not plugged) filters better.

In his video titled "DIRTY Filters Are BETTER Filters," he explains that as a filter collects debris, the "holes" in the filter media begin to fill up. This actually increases the filter's efficiency (its ability to catch smaller particles) because the trapped dirt acts as additional filter media.
However, he emphasizes a critical "tipping point":
The Benefit: A slightly used filter captures smaller contaminants than a brand-new, "open" filter.
The Risk: As the filter gets even dirtier, it creates a restriction in flow. If the restriction becomes too great, the bypass valve will open.
The Danger: Once that bypass valve opens, your engine is receiving unfiltered oil directly, which defeats the purpose of the filter entirely.
The Bottom Line
While he confirms that a used filter is technically more efficient at stopping small particles, he is not suggesting you should stop changing your filters. Instead, he uses this science to explain why high-quality filters (like those from Donaldson or Wix) are designed the way they are—to balance that efficiency without triggering the bypass valve prematurely.
Did you actually watch Lakes entire video? He made it a point that he was not suggesting that you don't change the filter.

 

[The_Dark_Knight_Forever]

In his video titled "DIRTY Filters Are BETTER Filters," he explains that as a filter collects debris, the "holes" in the filter media begin to fill up. This actually increases the filter's efficiency (its ability to catch smaller particles) because the trapped dirt acts as additional filter media.
However, he emphasizes a critical "tipping point":
The Benefit: A slightly used filter captures smaller contaminants than a brand-new, "open" filter.
The Risk: As the filter gets even dirtier, it creates a restriction in flow. If the restriction becomes too great, the bypass valve will open.
The Danger: Once that bypass valve opens, your engine is receiving unfiltered oil directly, which defeats the purpose of the filter entirely.
The Bottom Line
While he confirms that a used filter is technically more efficient at stopping small particles, he is not suggesting you should stop changing your filters. Instead, he uses this science to explain why high-quality filters (like those from Donaldson or Wix) are designed the way they are—to balance that efficiency without triggering the bypass valve prematurely.
Did you actually watch Lakes entire video? He made it a point that he was not suggesting that you don't change the filter.

I watched that same video but he is wrong. What he is actually referring to is air filters.
With the small size of an oil filter why would you want to risk the media being filled & then the bypass valve engaging to let unfiltered oil pass through & back into the system? Oil filters, especially the OE Toyota filters, are a minimal cost.

 

[John2112]

I watched that same video but he is wrong. What he is actually referring to is air filters.
With the small size of an oil filter why would you want to risk the media being filled & then the bypass valve engaging to let unfiltered oil pass through & back into the system? Oil filters, especially the OE Toyota filters, are a minimal cost.

I always figured over maintaining was never a bad thing, especially with the turbocharger and overall setup in an engine light the one in this Trail Hunter why not maintain it sooner, I changed the oil at about 4,000 mi and the filter. I've even changed the rear differential oil at 5,000 mi, although I did several water crossings. A Toyota engineer I talked to at an event told me that the 10,000 mi oil change came from the marketing department not the engineering department, same with the " lifetime transmission fluid" so many manuals are suggesting now. He said just ignore all that and use common sense.

 

[John2112]

Good idea. I'm looking at that but the 2025 only has one plug to drain and a stand pipe. How to get the new fluid in is my problem.

I think I'm right about this, those engines were assembled in the United States and the 4Runner is completely built in Japan. That's one of the main reasons I wanted the 4Runner model because it was made in Japan, I don't buy American products because of quality control issues. That's why I would never buy a Tacoma or a tundra.

 

[The_Dark_Knight_Forever]

I always figured over maintaining was never a bad thing, especially with the turbocharger and overall setup in an engine light the one in this Trail Hunter why not maintain it sooner, I changed the oil at about 4,000 mi and the filter. I've even changed the rear differential oil at 5,000 mi, although I did several water crossings. A Toyota engineer I talked to at an event told me that the 10,000 mi oil change came from the marketing department not the engineering department, same with the " lifetime transmission fluid" so many manuals are suggesting now. He said just ignore all that and use common sense.

I agree. Just use common sense, follow the “Special Operating Conditions” Maintenance Chart.

 

[ShotsFired]

In his video titled "DIRTY Filters Are BETTER Filters," he explains that as a filter collects debris, the "holes" in the filter media begin to fill up. This actually increases the filter's efficiency (its ability to catch smaller particles) because the trapped dirt acts as additional filter media.
However, he emphasizes a critical "tipping point":
The Benefit: A slightly used filter captures smaller contaminants than a brand-new, "open" filter.
The Risk: As the filter gets even dirtier, it creates a restriction in flow. If the restriction becomes too great, the bypass valve will open.
The Danger: Once that bypass valve opens, your engine is receiving unfiltered oil directly, which defeats the purpose of the filter entirely.
The Bottom Line
While he confirms that a used filter is technically more efficient at stopping small particles, he is not suggesting you should stop changing your filters. Instead, he uses this science to explain why high-quality filters (like those from Donaldson or Wix) are designed the way they are—to balance that efficiency without triggering the bypass valve prematurely.
Did you actually watch Lakes entire video? He made it a point that he was not suggesting that you don't change the filter.

Did you read what I said? Not changed at 625 miles. Will change at 1500 miles. I'm sure it will make it if Toyota recommends 10,000.

 

[ShotsFired]

There's no reason to change your oil if you're not going to change your filter. Filters aren't that expensive.

I'm sure the filter will continue to do it's job to 1500 miles if Toyota says it's good for 10,000. You do your thing and I'll do mine.

 

[John2112]

I'm sure the filter will continue to do it's job to 1500 miles if Toyota says it's good for 10,000. You do your thing and I'll do mine.
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Did you read what I said? Not changed at 625 miles. Will change at 1500 miles. I'm sure it will make it if Toyota recommends 10,000.

Silly. The whole point of doing early oil changes is to get debris out of the engine. By the way Toyota engineers say you need to do oil changes sooner, the marketing department at Toyota are the ones that said 10,000. But hey don't listen to mechanics and experts, you do you.

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