Hybrid vs Gas Long Term Value???

[get.outside.75]

Actually if you drive both...probably will not notice. The Hybrid is much heavier and you can feel it. The Gas Turbo is plenty quick. The towing I think would be where the Hybrid shows its worth.

That torque is exactly why you do notice it. Hybrid has 150lb-ft more torque that the gas turbo and you most certainly can feel it when you hit the gas.

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[drNick]

The Land Cruiser 250 sold around the world has the 2.8 turbo diesel. It is great, high torque engine. I guess Toyota put together the hybrid version to make it feel close to it. However didn’t think too much about this battery….

 

[sstarrx2]

I have no experience with these batteries so I really cannot say anything negative about them. I never keep a car for 10'years so the battery life would not concern me. I can never see me getting the batteries wet. I don't go off road, off pavement yes, but offroad not really. If I had to tow I would not be scared to purchase the Hybrid. I was looking at Hybrids but after driving the gas turbo I was happy with the performance. It is quicker than any NA truck I have owned and that includes V8 Nissan I owned 20 years ago.

 

[ToYoDaMan]

My 2 cents. My daily driver is a 2013 Toyota Prius Persona Edition.

Still running with its original Hybrid Battery. The Prii has over 260k miles (2nd engine) , modified mated 3rd/4th Gen, aka. "my Frankenstein engine".

I Can definitely tell that the hybrid battery has degraded. I will have to replace it soon or just get rid of the car.

Since my daughter will need the car after passing her exam, we will have to keep it.

I purchased the Runner fo this reason and purchased the all gas model to avoid the hybrid battery degradation and overall replacement if you plan to keep the car longer than 10 years, which I intend to do with my ORP.

Either way , Toyota cars have a great resale value. It just depends if you are willing to spend the $$$ for a new hybrid battery when it fails after 10 years, assuming you want to keep the car for that long.

 

[Charlie]

I’m in agreement with all those who think the hybrid is great for towing. I’m on my second trip and will have over 3,000 miles of towing by the time I get back home in 2 weeks. Having come from an early Gen 5 (2012), there’s no comparison. The hybrid is a delight to drive, towing or not. With the Tow/Haul engaged, I can make it up steep hills with ease. I’m getting about 2 mpg better gas mileage as my old 4R, averaging 14 mpg In hills and 16 mpg in the flat areas. The power is seamless and it never floors the throttle like my old one when downshifting, it manages the power much more gently. If you‘re not going to tow, I agree you should pass on the hybrid, but I’m towing 4000 lbs and the hybrid does it effortlessly. No frustrated drivers stuck behind me on the uphills anymore.

 

[sstarrx2]

I’m in agreement with all those who think the hybrid is great for towing. I’m on my second trip and will have over 3,000 miles of towing by the time I get back home in 2 weeks. Having come from an early Gen 5 (2012), there’s no comparison. The hybrid is a delight to drive, towing or not. With the Tow/Haul engaged, I can make it up steep hills with ease. I’m getting about 2 mpg better gas mileage as my old 4R, averaging 14 mpg In hills and 16 mpg in the flat areas. The power is seamless and it never floors the throttle like my old one when downshifting, it manages the power much more gently. If you‘re not going to tow, I agree you should pass on the hybrid, but I’m towing 4000 lbs and the hybrid does it effortlessly. No frustrated drivers stuck behind me on the uphills anymore.

That's awesome!! 465 lbs of torque doing work!!! This is where a Hybrid beats that pants off an EV! You could tow it with an EV but you would need to stop to charge every 150 miles!!

 

[Stigma]

Just a quick note regarding people who plan on keeping their 4runner around for 10+ years. CarCareNut mentioned that the great thing about Hybrid is that if the battery ever completely died, it would still run as a non-hybrid.

So in other words for people who say they don't want to have to buy a new battery pack in 10 years, you won't. You'll just have a non-hybrid gasser at that point.

 

[AZ Flag Steve]

In 10 years solid state batteries will have taken over and who knows what tomorrow brings for us humans?!?! The seat of the pants difference when I test drove the 2025’s on the lot made the decision for me. Ordered the hybrid that day. Lovin’ it.

 

[ToYoDaMan]

Just a quick note regarding people who plan on keeping their 4runner around for 10+ years. CarCareNut mentioned that the great thing about Hybrid is that if the battery ever completely died, it would still run as a non-hybrid.

So in other words for people who say they don't want to have to buy a new battery pack in 10 years, you won't. You'll just have a non-hybrid gasser at that point.

@Stigma, are you surre? From what I know, the system shuts down. Again, my 2 cents.

If that's the case, I can save myself $$$. I'm sure the mpg is shot at that point.

 

[brumey]

Just a quick note regarding people who plan on keeping their 4runner around for 10+ years. CarCareNut mentioned that the great thing about Hybrid is that if the battery ever completely died, it would still run as a non-hybrid.

So in other words for people who say they don't want to have to buy a new battery pack in 10 years, you won't. You'll just have a non-hybrid gasser at that point.

I suspect there is a downside to that. I don’t think our car care nut meant you can indefinitely drive it with a dead hybrid battery. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Archer]

I wonder if, in 10 years or so and your battery dies and it switches to just a gas setup (which I believe it will) , if you can remove the battery, lose the weight and gain the space. Hmmmmm.



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[Stigma]

@Stigma, are you surre? From what I know, the system shuts down. Again, my 2 cents.

If that's the case, I can save myself $$$. I'm sure the mpg is shot at that point.

Check out this vid here:


Around 6:20 he talks about if the 6th gen has the alternator it'll be able to function if the hybrid system is not operation.

Do I know for sure? Nope.. not really sure how to test it out, but if it's accurate, that would be pretty awesome for long term use without too much downside.

 

[Stigma]

I suspect there is a downside to that. I don’t think our car care nut meant you can indefinitely drive it with a dead hybrid battery. I hope I am wrong.

Honestly I hope I never have to find out. I do, however, intend on holding onto this one for a long time so maybe I'll resurrect this thread in 10-15 years!

 

[ToYoDaMan]

This might work for awhile but it will not last without a healthy hybrid battery.

From driving my car for more than 10 years, it will not be operational for long.

Just my experience and sharing with others. Thanks.

 

[xp0nex]

I made this purchase based on budget and intended use. If long-term value were the priority, then the Platinum, Trailhunter, or TRD Pro would be the trims to consider.

When my family and I travel, cargo space is everything. Losing six inches of vertical room might not sound like much, but for us it means leaving behind luggage or even the stroller—and that’s simply not an option.

Does the hybrid deliver more power? Is it a little quicker? Sure. Do I care? Not really. This isn’t the kind of vehicle you take to the track anyway. If extra horsepower is what you’re after, bolt-ons and a tune will get you there.

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