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100 miles off-road in the Trailhunter - White Rim Road

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I just completed the White Rim Road in my stock Trailhunter with 15k miles on the dash. White Rim is a 100 mile off-road trail through Canyonlands National Park rated as a 5/10 on OnX. It features steep inclines and descents, tight switchbacks, fast sandy sections, and enough bumpy, rocky sections to give your passenger a TBI. While not as technically demanding as something like the Rubicon trail, it is still challenging from an endurance perspective. At the end of the second day my passenger was complaining her forearms were sore from gripping the handles in the 4Runner for so long, and the passenger in my buddy’s LX470 was complaining that his back was sore from trying to keep himself straight.

The Trailhunter did very well. Our conditions were dry, and it would’ve been a lot more interesting if it were muddy or icy, but nevertheless I did not lose traction a single time, while I saw my friend’s LX470 spin its tires more than once despite having brand new AT4W’s with tread depth in a completely different class than the Trailhunter’s stock Toyos, and running 20 PSI as opposed to my 30 PSI. I did not want to air down too much as I was concerned that sidewall exposure would increase my puncture risk, and I’ve already punctured one tire on this vehicle off road and seen many other people get punctures as well. Luckily I had no punctures on this trip.

One thing that did make me jealous of my friend’s 470 was the full time 4WD system, which allows him to use low range with the center differential unlocked. On the descent at the beginning of the trail, which has fairly tight switchbacks with a very steep drop off the sides, I was using 4LO to control my speed, but since the dirt was dry and packed, there was a lot of steering resistance as I could feel the driveline binding, and if I turned sharp and long enough I would hear a tire spin out as the tension in the driveline overcame the grip of the tire. I really do wonder why the Limited and Platinum trims got the Land Cruiser’s full time 4WD when it seems to me that a full time 4WD with center locking differential would be the superior 4WD setup for a trim supposed to be for off roading.

My camping setup was fully electric. While driving, I had the 120V charging a Bluetti AC70 768Wh battery which powered a 12V fridge for our perishables. Standard charging mode on the Bluetti would keep it charging at about 500W from the AC inverter, even while driving. I read someone claim that the inverter caps at 100W while the vehicle is being driven, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. 500W was not enough to kick on the inverter fans and it was plenty to keep the battery at 100% by the time we were done driving each day. The annoyance is remembering to press the AC120 button every time the vehicle is started.

Cooking was done on an electric griddle powered by the vehicle with approximately 1400W of draw at max temperature. Coffee was accomplished with an electric kettle with about 1200W of draw, also powered by the vehicle, but never at the same time as the griddle. I technically could’ve powered these from the battery as well with the power lifting mode which increases the power supply from 1000W to 2000W, but I was content to use the truck as it’s not very loud when running anyways. That being said, a drop cord and a folding table were necessary to keep the food away from the exhaust. This was enough to kick on the inverter fan that I’ve seen people complaining about, but since I’m not making pancakes and driving at the same time, I’m not sure what the big deal is.

Fuel consumption was excellent in my opinion. I was showing approximately half a tank remaining when I finished the trail, and my station to station calculated MPG was 15.4 across 137 miles. That’s from a gas station in Moab, completing the trail, and out to the next closest gas station. That’s also including the time spent idling while the 4Runner was powering the appliances or just providing AC to take a break from the desert heat. I brought a 2 gallon fuel container that I now feel kind of silly for purchasing, because if I can complete this trail without even getting close to running out of fuel, I’m not sure what I’ll ever need the additional 2 gallons for.

It was interesting, though, comparing the range of my friend’s 470 with a 25.4 gallon fuel tank. His normal driving range is about 350 miles, same as mine, but in order to extend his range, my little 2 gallon rotopax would do practically nothing for him. Since his calculated MPG was about 5.5, he needs to carry about 6 gallons of fuel to extend his range by a distance equivalent to what my 2 gallon container gives me. Fuel economy was one of the main reasons why I bought the Trailhunter over something like a LC200 or GX460, so I’m glad it delivers in that aspect off road.

My main complaint from this trip would be that the 4Runner (hybrid in particular) feels like it fills up very fast. I do have the ADGU low height drawers in mine, which take up some vertical space, which is already sacrificed by the hybrid battery, but it’s still surprising to me how quickly it feels like it gets cramped. I could’ve pretty handily fit everything I carried on this trip in my 3rd gen RAV4 which is a much smaller vehicle externally. There might be a seat delete in the future for this vehicle.

I'll add additional details here as they occur to me:
  • The Multi Terrain Monitor (360 camera system) makes wheel placement very easy, but the side cameras tend to wash out in bright sunlight. They don't give a good sense of depth, so it's hard to tell how big a rock or obstacle is, but as long as you're watching the road and then switching to the camera system briefly for wheel placement it's a fantastic aid. It's also great for cresting a hill when you can't see over your hood and it isn't easy to see where the trail goes.
  • The digital rearview mirror was very nice to have as the back was blocked by cargo the entire trip.
  • It might just be in my head, but the SDM (stabilizer disconnect mechanism/stabilizer bar disconnect) feels like it helps with the side to side jostling while going over bumpy sections.
  • We used the pop-out JBL speaker with my buddy's projector (powered by the Bluetti battery) to play movies after dark, since we couldn't have campfires. The removable JBL speaker has actually been much less of a gimmick than I originally thought it would be; I use it at least a few times a month.

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I just completed the White Rim Road in my stock Trailhunter with 15k miles on the dash. White Rim is a 100 mile off-road trail through Canyonlands National Park rated as a 5/10 on OnX. It features steep inclines and descents, tight switchbacks, fast sandy sections, and enough bumpy, rocky sections to give your passenger a TBI. While not as technically demanding as something like the Rubicon trail, it is still challenging from an endurance perspective. At the end of the second day my passenger was complaining her forearms were sore from gripping the handles in the 4Runner for so long, and the passenger in my buddy’s LX470 was complaining that his back was sore from trying to keep himself straight.

The Trailhunter did very well. Our conditions were dry, and it would’ve been a lot more interesting if it were muddy or icy, but nevertheless I did not lose traction a single time, while I saw my friend’s LX470 spin its tires more than once despite having brand new AT4W’s with tread depth in a completely different class than the Trailhunter’s stock Toyos, and running 20 PSI as opposed to my 30 PSI. I did not want to air down too much as I was concerned that sidewall exposure would increase my puncture risk, and I’ve already punctured one tire on this vehicle off road and seen many other people get punctures as well. Luckily I had no punctures on this trip.

One thing that did make me jealous of my friend’s 470 was the full time 4WD system, which allows him to use low range with the center differential unlocked. On the descent at the beginning of the trail, which has fairly tight switchbacks with a very steep drop off the sides, I was using 4LO to control my speed, but since the dirt was dry and packed, there was a lot of steering resistance as I could feel the driveline binding, and if I turned sharp and long enough I would hear a tire spin out as the tension in the driveline overcame the grip of the tire. I really do wonder why the Limited and Platinum trims got the Land Cruiser’s full time 4WD when it seems to me that a full time 4WD with center locking differential would be the superior 4WD setup for a trim supposed to be for off roading.

My camping setup was fully electric. While driving, I had the 120V charging a Bluetti AC70 768Wh battery which powered a 12V fridge for our perishables. Standard charging mode on the Bluetti would keep it charging at about 500W from the AC inverter, even while driving. I read someone claim that the inverter caps at 100W while the vehicle is being driven, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. 500W was not enough to kick on the inverter fans and it was plenty to keep the battery at 100% by the time we were done driving each day. The annoyance is remembering to press the AC120 button every time the vehicle is started.

Cooking was done on an electric griddle powered by the vehicle with approximately 1400W of draw at max temperature. Coffee was accomplished with an electric kettle with about 1200W of draw, also powered by the vehicle, but never at the same time as the griddle. I technically could’ve powered these from the battery as well with the power lifting mode which increases the power supply from 1000W to 2000W, but I was content to use the truck as it’s not very loud when running anyways. That being said, a drop cord and a folding table were necessary to keep the food away from the exhaust. This was enough to kick on the inverter fan that I’ve seen people complaining about, but since I’m not making pancakes and driving at the same time, I’m not sure what the big deal is.

Fuel consumption was excellent in my opinion. I was showing approximately half a tank remaining when I finished the trail, and my station to station calculated MPG was 15.4 across 137 miles. That’s from a gas station in Moab, completing the trail, and out to the next closest gas station. That’s also including the time spent idling while the 4Runner was powering the appliances or just providing AC to take a break from the desert heat. I brought a 2 gallon fuel container that I now feel kind of silly for purchasing, because if I can complete this trail without even getting close to running out of fuel, I’m not sure what I’ll ever need the additional 2 gallons for.

It was interesting, though, comparing the range of my friend’s 470 with a 25.4 gallon fuel tank. His normal driving range is about 350 miles, same as mine, but in order to extend his range, my little 2 gallon rotopax would do practically nothing for him. Since his calculated MPG was about 5.5, he needs to carry about 6 gallons of fuel to extend his range by a distance equivalent to what my 2 gallon container gives me. Fuel economy was one of the main reasons why I bought the Trailhunter over something like a LC200 or GX460, so I’m glad it delivers in that aspect off road.

My main complaint from this trip would be that the 4Runner (hybrid in particular) feels like it fills up very fast. I do have the ADGU low height drawers in mine, which take up some vertical space, which is already sacrificed by the hybrid battery, but it’s still surprising to me how quickly it feels like it gets cramped. I could’ve pretty handily fit everything I carried on this trip in my 3rd gen RAV4 which is a much smaller vehicle externally. There might be a seat delete in the future for this vehicle.
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Great report! Appreciate the insight- particularly your info on fuel consumption. I’ve been concerned about the lack of fuel capacity in the TH. I run the national seashore south out of Corpus and depending on sand conditions see 9-11 MPG. Heading down to the Landcut in July for some fishing and that’ll be about 150 miles sand out and back. Don’t want to run low down there.
Agree with your comments about full-time 4WD - the center differential would have been nice. I’ve taken to using 4H and DAC on steep descents and it’s worked out so far - but nothing prolonged like you described.
Again, thanks for a great report. Some valuable info here.
 

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I just completed the White Rim Road in my stock Trailhunter with 15k miles on the dash. White Rim is a 100 mile off-road trail through Canyonlands National Park rated as a 5/10 on OnX. It features steep inclines and descents, tight switchbacks, fast sandy sections, and enough bumpy, rocky sections to give your passenger a TBI. While not as technically demanding as something like the Rubicon trail, it is still challenging from an endurance perspective. At the end of the second day my passenger was complaining her forearms were sore from gripping the handles in the 4Runner for so long, and the passenger in my buddy’s LX470 was complaining that his back was sore from trying to keep himself straight.

The Trailhunter did very well. Our conditions were dry, and it would’ve been a lot more interesting if it were muddy or icy, but nevertheless I did not lose traction a single time, while I saw my friend’s LX470 spin its tires more than once despite having brand new AT4W’s with tread depth in a completely different class than the Trailhunter’s stock Toyos, and running 20 PSI as opposed to my 30 PSI. I did not want to air down too much as I was concerned that sidewall exposure would increase my puncture risk, and I’ve already punctured one tire on this vehicle off road and seen many other people get punctures as well. Luckily I had no punctures on this trip.

One thing that did make me jealous of my friend’s 470 was the full time 4WD system, which allows him to use low range with the center differential unlocked. On the descent at the beginning of the trail, which has fairly tight switchbacks with a very steep drop off the sides, I was using 4LO to control my speed, but since the dirt was dry and packed, there was a lot of steering resistance as I could feel the driveline binding, and if I turned sharp and long enough I would hear a tire spin out as the tension in the driveline overcame the grip of the tire. I really do wonder why the Limited and Platinum trims got the Land Cruiser’s full time 4WD when it seems to me that a full time 4WD with center locking differential would be the superior 4WD setup for a trim supposed to be for off roading.

My camping setup was fully electric. While driving, I had the 120V charging a Bluetti AC70 768Wh battery which powered a 12V fridge for our perishables. Standard charging mode on the Bluetti would keep it charging at about 500W from the AC inverter, even while driving. I read someone claim that the inverter caps at 100W while the vehicle is being driven, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. 500W was not enough to kick on the inverter fans and it was plenty to keep the battery at 100% by the time we were done driving each day. The annoyance is remembering to press the AC120 button every time the vehicle is started.

Cooking was done on an electric griddle powered by the vehicle with approximately 1400W of draw at max temperature. Coffee was accomplished with an electric kettle with about 1200W of draw, also powered by the vehicle, but never at the same time as the griddle. I technically could’ve powered these from the battery as well with the power lifting mode which increases the power supply from 1000W to 2000W, but I was content to use the truck as it’s not very loud when running anyways. That being said, a drop cord and a folding table were necessary to keep the food away from the exhaust. This was enough to kick on the inverter fan that I’ve seen people complaining about, but since I’m not making pancakes and driving at the same time, I’m not sure what the big deal is.

Fuel consumption was excellent in my opinion. I was showing approximately half a tank remaining when I finished the trail, and my station to station calculated MPG was 15.4 across 137 miles. That’s from a gas station in Moab, completing the trail, and out to the next closest gas station. That’s also including the time spent idling while the 4Runner was powering the appliances or just providing AC to take a break from the desert heat. I brought a 2 gallon fuel container that I now feel kind of silly for purchasing, because if I can complete this trail without even getting close to running out of fuel, I’m not sure what I’ll ever need the additional 2 gallons for.

It was interesting, though, comparing the range of my friend’s 470 with a 25.4 gallon fuel tank. His normal driving range is about 350 miles, same as mine, but in order to extend his range, my little 2 gallon rotopax would do practically nothing for him. Since his calculated MPG was about 5.5, he needs to carry about 6 gallons of fuel to extend his range by a distance equivalent to what my 2 gallon container gives me. Fuel economy was one of the main reasons why I bought the Trailhunter over something like a LC200 or GX460, so I’m glad it delivers in that aspect off road.

My main complaint from this trip would be that the 4Runner (hybrid in particular) feels like it fills up very fast. I do have the ADGU low height drawers in mine, which take up some vertical space, which is already sacrificed by the hybrid battery, but it’s still surprising to me how quickly it feels like it gets cramped. I could’ve pretty handily fit everything I carried on this trip in my 3rd gen RAV4 which is a much smaller vehicle externally. There might be a seat delete in the future for this vehicle.
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Great write up. Thanks!

Full time 4wd is better, they didnt give it to you to control costs and separate the different vehicle classes. The land cruiser and 4runner are very similar vehicles, they have to have some differences between them.

One correction, unless your friend did some modification to their vehicle, they cannot be in 4low with the center diff unlocked. 4Lo automatically locks center diff on every toyota I have seen including my old 100 series.
 

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One correction, unless your friend did some modification to their vehicle, they cannot be in 4low with the center diff unlocked. 4Lo automatically locks center diff on every toyota I have seen including my old 100 series.
4 low does not automatically lock the center diff on my 4th gen 4Runner.

4th gen V6 had the most flexible transfer case. I understand why they went away from it since it tends become hard or impossible to switch modes if you don't regularly switch it into the various modes, but I really liked having the options of RWD/AWD/4WD High and AWD/4WD Low.
 
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Great write up. Thanks!

Full time 4wd is better, they didnt give it to you to control costs and separate the different vehicle classes. The land cruiser and 4runner are very similar vehicles, they have to have some differences between them.

One correction, unless your friend did some modification to their vehicle, they cannot be in 4low with the center diff unlocked. 4Lo automatically locks center diff on every toyota I have seen including my old 100 series.
I asked him about it and apparently he did do an electrical modification he found on ih8mud to allow it to operate in low range without the center diff locked. I did not realize the 100 series forced the center diff locked in low range by default. That’s my bad.
 
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Maybe I missed it. Why was your buddy’s MPG 5.5? Heavier load?
Well it’s a vehicle that already gets around 11mpg on the road with the tires that he’s put on it (33” E load) doing lots of slow speed crawling in low gear while loaded up with food, water, additional fuel, and supplies for two people.
 

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Regarding cargo space, agreed it fills up fast. I’m using the roof rack for cots, chairs and tent, and could pile more on there if needed (or leave the cots at home). If we’re taking e-bikes and dispersed camping, I bring an inverter genset and propane tank. Those are space hogs.
 

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Great write up. Thanks!

Full time 4wd is better, they didnt give it to you to control costs and separate the different vehicle classes. The land cruiser and 4runner are very similar vehicles, they have to have some differences between them.

One correction, unless your friend did some modification to their vehicle, they cannot be in 4low with the center diff unlocked. 4Lo automatically locks center diff on every toyota I have seen including my old 100 series.
I think the new LC will allow 4 low without center diff lock, think I saw the DrivingSportsTV guy do it on his youtube channel...
 

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I just completed the White Rim Road in my stock Trailhunter with 15k miles on the dash. White Rim is a 100 mile off-road trail through Canyonlands National Park rated as a 5/10 on OnX. It features steep inclines and descents, tight switchbacks, fast sandy sections, and enough bumpy, rocky sections to give your passenger a TBI. While not as technically demanding as something like the Rubicon trail, it is still challenging from an endurance perspective. At the end of the second day my passenger was complaining her forearms were sore from gripping the handles in the 4Runner for so long, and the passenger in my buddy’s LX470 was complaining that his back was sore from trying to keep himself straight.

The Trailhunter did very well. Our conditions were dry, and it would’ve been a lot more interesting if it were muddy or icy, but nevertheless I did not lose traction a single time, while I saw my friend’s LX470 spin its tires more than once despite having brand new AT4W’s with tread depth in a completely different class than the Trailhunter’s stock Toyos, and running 20 PSI as opposed to my 30 PSI. I did not want to air down too much as I was concerned that sidewall exposure would increase my puncture risk, and I’ve already punctured one tire on this vehicle off road and seen many other people get punctures as well. Luckily I had no punctures on this trip.

One thing that did make me jealous of my friend’s 470 was the full time 4WD system, which allows him to use low range with the center differential unlocked. On the descent at the beginning of the trail, which has fairly tight switchbacks with a very steep drop off the sides, I was using 4LO to control my speed, but since the dirt was dry and packed, there was a lot of steering resistance as I could feel the driveline binding, and if I turned sharp and long enough I would hear a tire spin out as the tension in the driveline overcame the grip of the tire. I really do wonder why the Limited and Platinum trims got the Land Cruiser’s full time 4WD when it seems to me that a full time 4WD with center locking differential would be the superior 4WD setup for a trim supposed to be for off roading.

My camping setup was fully electric. While driving, I had the 120V charging a Bluetti AC70 768Wh battery which powered a 12V fridge for our perishables. Standard charging mode on the Bluetti would keep it charging at about 500W from the AC inverter, even while driving. I read someone claim that the inverter caps at 100W while the vehicle is being driven, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. 500W was not enough to kick on the inverter fans and it was plenty to keep the battery at 100% by the time we were done driving each day. The annoyance is remembering to press the AC120 button every time the vehicle is started.

Cooking was done on an electric griddle powered by the vehicle with approximately 1400W of draw at max temperature. Coffee was accomplished with an electric kettle with about 1200W of draw, also powered by the vehicle, but never at the same time as the griddle. I technically could’ve powered these from the battery as well with the power lifting mode which increases the power supply from 1000W to 2000W, but I was content to use the truck as it’s not very loud when running anyways. That being said, a drop cord and a folding table were necessary to keep the food away from the exhaust. This was enough to kick on the inverter fan that I’ve seen people complaining about, but since I’m not making pancakes and driving at the same time, I’m not sure what the big deal is.

Fuel consumption was excellent in my opinion. I was showing approximately half a tank remaining when I finished the trail, and my station to station calculated MPG was 15.4 across 137 miles. That’s from a gas station in Moab, completing the trail, and out to the next closest gas station. That’s also including the time spent idling while the 4Runner was powering the appliances or just providing AC to take a break from the desert heat. I brought a 2 gallon fuel container that I now feel kind of silly for purchasing, because if I can complete this trail without even getting close to running out of fuel, I’m not sure what I’ll ever need the additional 2 gallons for.

It was interesting, though, comparing the range of my friend’s 470 with a 25.4 gallon fuel tank. His normal driving range is about 350 miles, same as mine, but in order to extend his range, my little 2 gallon rotopax would do practically nothing for him. Since his calculated MPG was about 5.5, he needs to carry about 6 gallons of fuel to extend his range by a distance equivalent to what my 2 gallon container gives me. Fuel economy was one of the main reasons why I bought the Trailhunter over something like a LC200 or GX460, so I’m glad it delivers in that aspect off road.

My main complaint from this trip would be that the 4Runner (hybrid in particular) feels like it fills up very fast. I do have the ADGU low height drawers in mine, which take up some vertical space, which is already sacrificed by the hybrid battery, but it’s still surprising to me how quickly it feels like it gets cramped. I could’ve pretty handily fit everything I carried on this trip in my 3rd gen RAV4 which is a much smaller vehicle externally. There might be a seat delete in the future for this vehicle.
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Nice! We managed to get permits at the end of September for this trail.

I am in a stock TRD Off-road with new 275/70R18 Pirelli XTM tires, and an aluminum skid plate. I would be interested in your thoughts on my setup with regard to this trail. I am considering removing the side steps and adding rock sliders for this trip. Thoughts?
 
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Nice! We managed to get permits at the end of September for this trail.

I am in a stock TRD Off-road with new 275/70R18 Pirelli XTM tires, and an aluminum skid plate. I would be interested in your thoughts on my setup with regard to this trail. I am considering removing the side steps and adding rock sliders for this trip. Thoughts?
Honestly unless it’s something you’re planning on doing anyways, I’d just keep it as is and save your money. Meaning, if the only reason you’re looking to upgrade your skids and swap the steps for sliders is this trail, I would pass. I’ve rubbed my skids and sliders before in this vehicle, but on this trip the only thing that made contact was mudflaps. The only thing that would make me nervous would be the steps because of the damage they could do if you did have an impact on them, but I think if you have some experience off roading and picking lines you will likely be just fine. What campsites did you get? We had Airport and Potato Bottom. Both great places to camp, but spaced out far enough that the day 2 driving from Airport to Potato Bottom was very fatiguing. Regardless of your sites you will have a blast, I’ve never spent so much time being completely surrounded by such beautiful scenery in every direction.

Make sure you stop and get out at the black crack, the crack is really cool but the cliff edge at that stop has the best river views of the entire trip in my opinion.
 

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Honestly unless it’s something you’re planning on doing anyways, I’d just keep it as is and save your money. Meaning, if the only reason you’re looking to upgrade your skids and swap the steps for sliders is this trail, I would pass. I’ve rubbed my skids and sliders before in this vehicle, but on this trip the only thing that made contact was mudflaps. The only thing that would make me nervous would be the steps because of the damage they could do if you did have an impact on them, but I think if you have some experience off roading and picking lines you will likely be just fine. What campsites did you get? We had Airport and Potato Bottom. Both great places to camp, but spaced out far enough that the day 2 driving from Airport to Potato Bottom was very fatiguing. Regardless of your sites you will have a blast, I’ve never spent so much time being completely surrounded by such beautiful scenery in every direction.

Make sure you stop and get out at the black crack, the crack is really cool but the cliff edge at that stop has the best river views of the entire trip in my opinion.
I have been going back and forth on the rock sliders and based on your input, I think I'll pass on them on this trip - I may add in the future. I might just remove the steps for the trip since they are an easy bolt-on.

What a process to get the permits!! I was online right when they went online for the Sept/Oct/Nov permits, with three sets of choices for dates, and ended up getting my last choice - it is pretty competitive, I was done booking within 5 minutes and I don't think there was much left.

That said we got Airport, Murphy, and Labyrinth. My wife is riding the trail on a mountain bike so we really needed three nights. Another buddy is going to join us in a Nissan Titan Pro4X. We are really looking forward to the trip and seeing your pics makes me think it is a great choice. We will for sure check out the black crack. Thanks again for your thoughts!
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