TRD Off Road Premium vs. TRD Pro

[FoRunna]

I'm not sure about this, to be honest.

The extra weight, reduced payload, and reduced cargo area is a big factor.

I agree that hybrid engines are great in the CRV/RAV4 segment, but I don't think it was anything other than a US emissions compromise choice in the 4R/Taco/LC250.

I don't think that was much of a consideration at all, to be honest. Toyota has been pretty clear from the beginning that the hybrid system isn't an economy-based hybrid, and that's reflected in the way it performs.

If Toyota intended this to be used exclusively for mileage improvements, we would have a much higher capacity battery.

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[CO/ZA]

I don't think that was much of a consideration at all, to be honest. Toyota has been pretty clear from the beginning that the hybrid system isn't an economy-based hybrid, and that's reflected in the way it performs.

If Toyota intended this to be used exclusively for mileage improvements, we would have a much higher capacity battery.

If this were anywhere else in the world, Toyota would fit the 2.8 GD6 diesel - which delivers 25mpg and 600mi of range out of a 21gal fuel tank in an equivalent Toyota Fortuner. It's also good for 201hp and 370 ft lbs of torque.

In fact they're fitting a 48v mild hybrid to the newer 2.8 Fortuners to net 30mpg.

We in the US get stuck with gasoline options because the EPA is very particular about NOx emissions.

 

[Ryran2010]

Yes CO/ZA. That is my feeling- all the factors you listed. Hybrid also great in the GH. It’s a big vehicle and gets 33mpg. Cargo not impacted. But I can understand why some 4H owners also love it. The early torque is nice. It’s all about use case. Good to have options.

Exactly. Buy what makes sense for you not what others think is 'best' or 'better'.

 

[FoRunna]

If this were anywhere else in the world, Toyota would fit the 2.8 GD6 diesel - which delivers 25mpg and 600mi of range out of a 21gal fuel tank in an equivalent Toyota Fortuner. It's also good for 201hp and 370 ft lbs of torque.

In fact they're fitting a 48v mild hybrid to the newer 2.8 Fortuners to net 30mpg.

We in the US get stuck with gasoline options because the EPA is very particular about NOx emissions.

Yeah you're spot on there. The EPA is pretty damn lame.

 

[Joe Dirt]

The hybrid version versus the non-hybrid version share the same engine block!
The only difference is the hybrid is paired with an electric motor.

I force max! Or iForce. Same engine just hybrid is paired with an electric motor. Real simple.

Hybrid is great in a RAV4 or smaller but losing cargo space as well as having the Hokie fold down rear seats, added weight and complexity is definitely a choice.

 

[Mike N]

I went with a '25 ORP and am in the process of Pro-ing it. I prefer the gas only engine plus there are other features standard on the Pro I'm not a fan of. Customizing the ORP gave me a mix of the cool Pro look without the stuff I really didn't need or want. Also, I was able to personalize the asthetics to match my preferences. I may have ended up spending more money but have the vehicle that looks and performs great both on and off road.

 

[get.outside.75]

I'm not sure about this, to be honest.

The extra weight, reduced payload, and reduced cargo area is a big factor.

I agree that hybrid engines are great in the CRV/RAV4 segment, but I don't think it was anything other than a US emissions compromise choice in the 4R/Taco/LC250.

How often are people loading cargo that goes all the way to roof? You don't lose floor space, only height. I have had mine hybrid a year now and never come close to roof with anything.

The hybrid engine in the 4runner is 100% about power and torque. Hard Stop. The Grand Highlanders is perfect example of this. Their "Regular Hybrid" is 245 HP and gets 35mpg. The "Hybrid Max" is 362 HP and gets 25 MPG. One for power, one for MPG.

I have an 2024 Accord Hybrid and my 5300lb 4Runner has more get up and go than the Accord. The accord gets 45mpg, I do not. Two wildly different engine set ups.

 

[CO/ZA]

How often are people loading cargo that goes all the way to roof? You don't lose floor space, only height. I have had mine hybrid a year now and never come close to roof with anything.

The hybrid engine in the 4runner is 100% about power and torque. Hard Stop. The Grand Highlanders is perfect example of this. Their "Regular Hybrid" is 245 HP and gets 35mpg. The "Hybrid Max" is 362 HP and gets 25 MPG. One for power, one for MPG.

I have an 2024 Accord Hybrid and my 5300lb 4Runner has more get up and go than the Accord. The accord gets 45mpg, I do not. Two wildly different engine set ups.

I had 4 people on a trip to the San Juans, and it was nice being able to pile every nook and cranny back there with gear and provisions.

A lower loading height is also a benefit over the hybrid.

Nevertheless, you can refer to my other post that the only real reason we have a gas+hybrid option is because of US emissions - and that Toyota withholds their small diesel engines from North America.

 

[get.outside.75]

Nevertheless, you can refer to my other post that the only real reason we have a gas+hybrid option is because of US emissions - and that Toyota withholds their small diesel engines from North America.

People in the US generally don't want diesel, regardless of emissions. It's $5.50/gal here and 37% more than 87. Diesel in Europe is 8% more than regular gas. BIG difference. In Japan, diesel is cheaper than regular gas. A bump in MPG there pays off.

And a 200hp diesel is not exactly what US consumers are looking for in a 5000lb vehicle. That's the HP of a base 3500lb Rav4. Europe and such pay $8 a gallon for anything so MPG gains and efficiency are at a premium.

I drove a BMW X3 SUV diesel in Greece and it was a dawg. In the US that thing is a rocket. I was soooo disappointed after hitting the gas the first time.

 

[CO/ZA]

People in the US generally don't want diesel, regardless of emissions. It's $5.50/gal here and 37% more than 87. Diesel in Europe is 8% more than regular gas. BIG difference. In Japan, diesel is cheaper than regular gas. A bump in MPG there pays off.

And a 200hp diesel is not exactly what US consumers are looking for in a 5000lb vehicle. That's the HP of a base 3500lb Rav4. Europe and such pay $8 a gallon for anything so MPG gains and efficiency are at a premium.

I drove a BMW X3 SUV diesel in Greece and it was a dawg. In the US that thing is a rocket. I was soooo disappointed after hitting the gas the first time.

With a diesel what you're going for is max torque at the very bottom of the rev range that then gets held all the way up to 1200rpm 'later'. It's not a peak, but a plateau.

The newer 8spd does help a lot with gear ratios & torque bands, but there are functional limitations to gas engines as they peak and then taper off.

Sure, with 200hp in a diesel you're going to feel it doesn't have much passing power at 80mph.

They do compare favorably, but the diesel is ultimately lighter and more fuel efficient.
It's something like 750lbs lighter than the iForce Max 4Runners?

Like you said though, the price of diesel these days isn't agreeable.

I rather enjoyed the 2.8 Fortuner VX I drove around Kruger NP and Cape Town.

 

[6thGen1419]

I decided that getting the 25 ORP Hybrid had most of the important factory 4WD items also the TRD skid plate, sun roof, 14" screen and JBL system. Then I added after market items I thought were important. I have done PPF, lo profile rack, awning, rock sliders, Banks airbox and turbo tubes, additional lights, and trailer brake. Next up is lift with Bilstein 6112/6100 shocks and UCAs. Then once I hit about 15K on the tires, will switch to 17" wheels and 275 tires. I carry a compressor when we go out on trips. I'm so happy with my rig. With hybrid, instant torque

And Cutting Edge, the best color, just like mine.

 

[MikeD]

...I went with a '25 ORP and am in the process of Pro-ing it. I prefer the gas only engine...

Just curious what that badge on the side of the hood says. This is where my ORP says "iForceMAX" and the Pro gets "TRD Pro" (and I got the black iForceMAX overlay to eliminate the last bit of chrome on the outside of the car - which it looks like you might have too). If you have the gas version there is no badge here.
Not being snarkey - really just curious.

BTW - I find this comparison thread incomplete. If I had to do it over again I would get the TrailHunter which has a bunch of things standard that my ORP doesn't have - but also some things the PRO doesn't have. Unfortunately it doesn't come in Heritage Blue:>)

 

[RunnerRocks]

Just curious what that badge on the side of the hood says. ...

 

[MikeD]

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[Mike N]

Just curious what that badge on the side of the hood says. This is where my ORP says "iForceMAX" and the Pro gets "TRD Pro" (and I got the black iForceMAX overlay to eliminate the last bit of chrome on the outside of the car - which it looks like you might have too). If you have the gas version there is no badge here.
Not being snarkey - really just curious.

BTW - I find this comparison thread incomplete. If I had to do it over again I would get the TrailHunter which has a bunch of things standard that my ORP doesn't have - but also some things the PRO doesn't have. Unfortunately it doesn't come in Heritage Blue:>)

If I'm being completely honest my choice would be an all black Pro. I was looking at 5th Gen used and happened to see the cutting edge silver ORP which wasn't much more than the used ones I looked at that had 50k miles. I spontaneously pulled the trigger. The badge came from Stickerfab and they mistakenly sent me an extra set. Anyone interested I can

send them your way.

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