Sufficient Power In the 2025 Gas Motor?

[Dr_Al]

I like reading the posts by (what I assume) are younger people. Before I go further let me say I'm not slamming you in any way. My first Toyota was a 1984 4wd pickup with a 22R engine. It made something like 80 hp. Sure the truck was lighter but it did just fine. I believe when the 1st 4 runner came out (I loved the removable roof) it only came with the 22RE. That bumped the HP up to a little over 100. I once put a supercharger on a 22R engine and got 160hp out of it. It felt like a rocket ship.

A 2.4L engine putting out more than 200hp is going to do just fine in most situations. I could understand if this was a debate over the 160hp 2.7 in the Tacoma. However that engine makes more than 100hp less. The non hybrid engine in today's 4runner is going to be just fine. Toyota has done themselves a disservice with the Prius. People read hybrid and assume better mileage. In this case they did it for a performance boost without cutting mileage. The main reason to get the hybrid is because you want more HP.

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[mjfloyd1]

I sure hope that OTT chimes in about the detectabolity of their tunes. @JustDSM

 

[HVLA]

I like reading the posts by (what I assume) are younger people. Before I go further let me say I'm not slamming you in any way. My first Toyota was a 1984 4wd pickup with a 22R engine. It made something like 80 hp. Sure the truck was lighter but it did just fine. I believe when the 1st 4 runner came out (I loved the removable roof) it only came with the 22RE. That bumped the HP up to a little over 100. I once put a supercharger on a 22R engine and got 160hp out of it. It felt like a rocket ship.

A 2.4L engine putting out more than 200hp is going to do just fine in most situations. I could understand if this was a debate over the 160hp 2.7 in the Tacoma. However that engine makes more than 100hp less. The non hybrid engine in today's 4runner is going to be just fine. Toyota has done themselves a disservice with the Prius. People read hybrid and assume better mileage. In this case they did it for a performance boost without cutting mileage. The main reason to get the hybrid is because you want more HP.

I dont think age is the factor. It is most likely people who have driven higher hp/torque vehicles who expect more.

I went with the hybrid because to me the amount of power gained outweighs the additional price/weight and loss of caro area.

It might not be worth it to someone else and that is just fine.

 

[jimmhout]

I love our 6th gen sr5 got plenty of power doesn’t hunt gears in the Mnts or hills. Just did a 1000 mile trip to co and got 24 mpg. love it!

 

[mtbtone]

I’ve got 3K miles on my ORP gas and drive in sport mode almost exclusively. 22mpg lifetime avg. I’ve driven the hybrid and did find it an enjoyable/peppy experience; however, I feel the same about the gas version. I’ve been off-roading (moderate difficulty), road tripped at high altitude, and have never felt power lacking; able to pass uphill effortlessly as well (something my 3rd Gen Tacoma could never do). I am seriously considering the OTT tune, but it would only be icing on the cake. In certain circumstances I do notice a bit of power lag, which the hybrid had less of, but it’s not often. I’m hoping the tune reduces that lag.

Also, regarding the turbo, as I understand, modern turbo’s don’t require a cooldown as the coolant still flows for a time after engine shutoff. Might be wrong, but that’s what I’ve heard.

 

[ah4rsr5]

I’ve got 3K miles on my ORP gas and drive in sport mode almost exclusively. 22mpg lifetime avg. I’ve driven the hybrid and did find it an enjoyable/peppy experience; however, I feel the same about the gas version. I’ve been off-roading (moderate difficulty), road tripped at high altitude, and have never felt power lacking; able to pass uphill effortlessly as well (something my 3rd Gen Tacoma could never do). I am seriously considering the OTT tune, but it would only be icing on the cake. In certain circumstances I do notice a bit of power lag, which the hybrid had less of, but it’s not often. I’m hoping the tune reduces that lag.

Also, regarding the turbo, as I understand, modern turbo’s don’t require a cooldown as the coolant still flows for a time after engine shutoff. Might be wrong, but that’s what I’ve heard.

you're getting 22mpg on sport mode? That's pretty good!

 

[mtbtone]

Yes, but use the power conservatively. Just feels more responsive in sport

 

[ah4rsr5]

Yes, but use the power conservatively. Just feels more responsive in sport

Can you expand upon that? In normal mode, I get about 23-24mpg on average. Few brisk accelerations and mostly conservative on highway.

I love how sport mode feels but annoyed that I have to switch into it every time I turn on the car. If I can get 22mpg then that would be great!

 

[SC4Runner]

So getting to 400+ lb/ft of torque is that possible on the non hybrid?

So I have a 5th gen with a tune and cold air intake. The cold air intake ads hp and torque and so did the tune (VRTuned) but from what I know the gains are not added on top of each other. For what it's worth though the tune and cold air intake on my 5th gen 4Runner made it run a lot nicer though.

My apologies, I read the results incorrectly. However, search for OTT tune results (from TRDJon) in these forums. The HP and torque I was reporting is on the hybrid when tuned. The tuned gas models are showing 307 hp with 377 lb/ft of torque, still very impressive.

 

[LLL1990]

I like reading the posts by (what I assume) are younger people. Before I go further let me say I'm not slamming you in any way. My first Toyota was a 1984 4wd pickup with a 22R engine. It made something like 80 hp. Sure the truck was lighter but it did just fine. I believe when the 1st 4 runner came out (I loved the removable roof) it only came with the 22RE. That bumped the HP up to a little over 100. I once put a supercharger on a 22R engine and got 160hp out of it. It felt like a rocket ship.

A 2.4L engine putting out more than 200hp is going to do just fine in most situations. I could understand if this was a debate over the 160hp 2.7 in the Tacoma. However that engine makes more than 100hp less. The non hybrid engine in today's 4runner is going to be just fine. Toyota has done themselves a disservice with the Prius. People read hybrid and assume better mileage. In this case they did it for a performance boost without cutting mileage. The main reason to get the hybrid is because you want more HP.

I agree. In some ways vehicles have too much power now because their owners aren't responsible enough to handle it. I've been passed many times by pickups doing 80-90 mph towing a trailer. The trucks have so much power now, towing thousands of pounds is nothing. A Ford high ouput power stroke diesel V8 makes 500 hp and 1,200 lb/ft of torque, that was semi truck power not that long ago. However, trailer tires were never designed for speeds like that and they're not thinking about having to stop with all that weight in an emergency. As Uncle Ben said "with great power comes great responsibility."

 

[Jakethewhippet1]

I think the power on the 2.4l gas is sufficient. It could be a litte higher IMO. 325 would have been great. The turbo is well integrated and seems to pull well up to about 5000 rpm. I haven't gone higher than that as I'm still breaking in the engine. The 2.4 engine has the same hp/liter (115 roughly) as the 3.5 Ford turbo which is a beast of an engine.

 

[brewrunner]

at 278 HP for a turbo it does ok. My gas mileage has been 22 hwy, 18 city in eco mode. Towing a small 3500 lb travel trailer in tow/haul mpg it gets me 10mpg.
In sport mode, which I rarely use, streetwise or highway, it does have a lot of get up and go. However, I feel its a tad under powered. That is because a turbo can get you more HP out of less cylinders, but its a different type of HP IMO. For the gas only people, they should have offered an upgraded non-turbo 6 cyl.
But there are always trade offs. I went with the TRD off road premium in gas only because I have more much room in the rear without the batteries and the car is much lighter. I really did not see enough mpg gain in the hybrid (plus the price difference) to make me take those sacrifices.

Just an FYI, being a older single widower who travels alone, the first mod I did was remove the back seats. Took me 20 min. OMG, is there a ton of room without those seats! And it removed another 250 lbs.

Did you watch a video somewhere on how to take the seats out or just figured it out yourself? I'll definitely be doing this if it's easy enough to put them back in when needed.

 

[tufftrucks14]

I finally took ownership of the non-hybrid 4Runner last week and am completely
Satisfied with the purchase. I appreciate all the responses so thank you. My wife had a RAV4 and that thing was just scary in the US at highway speeds…… gutless! This thing is not! Loving it!

 

[Matt]

I have the SR5 Gas and have no problem with acceleration. It seems effortless -even with my boat. It's more punchy when you are already at speed.

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