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Apple AirTag ?
thieves can scan to find, remove and discard apple air tags in minutes. not worth the effort if the thieves are part of the organized crime rings targeting these vehicles.

if it's a smash and grab theft, sure, an apple air tag will help you find your vehicle back
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Its super simple to put my immobilizer into service mode or transport mode.
Not having an immobilizer myself my comment about service was based on a buddies truck. I'll mention this to him, thanks!
 
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Has this classic anti theft system been discussed here yet?

No really, I think it’s because you don’t see these types of thefts in the USA as much as in Canada, specifically on Toyota cars and Lexus
 

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No really, I think it’s because you don’t see these types of thefts in the USA as much as in Canada, specifically on Toyota cars and Lexus
Interesting facts regarding thefts in Canada vs US. I was chatting with AI ChatGPT about this theft and it had some interesting info on Canada vs US car thefts:


Why Canada shows up disproportionately in these theft reports
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Export logistics strongly favor Canada


This is the single biggest factor.
  • Canada has major container ports very close to large metro areas
  • Stolen vehicles can be:
    • Moved to a port quickly
    • Loaded into containers
    • Exported overseas with comparatively low friction
Once a car is exported:
  • Recovery becomes extremely unlikely
  • The risk to the theft ring drops sharply
In the U.S.:
  • Export paths exist, but
  • Distances, port access, and enforcement patterns often raise the risk and cost
So from a criminal perspective:
Canada is a more efficient supply chain.
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Insurance and enforcement dynamics differ

Speaking generally:
  • Canadian auto insurance is more centralized and standardized
  • Losses are spread differently across the system
  • Theft rings often perceive:
    • Slower interdiction
    • Less aggressive federal involvement on export theft

That perception — whether fully accurate or not — changes behavior.

Criminal networks go where they believe the odds are better.
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Urban design and parking patterns


In many Canadian cities:

More driveway and street parking
  • Fewer private garages than comparable U.S. suburbs
  • Dense residential layouts with easy vehicle access
That increases:
  • Opportunity
  • Anonymity
  • Low-risk staging (like the parked car you described earlier)
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Same cars, same vulnerabilities


Important clarification:
Canadian-market vehicles are not fundamentally less secure than U.S. ones.
  • Same manufacturers
  • Same platforms
  • Same keyless systems
  • Same software families
So this is not a “Canada has worse security” issue.

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Concentration effects


Once a region becomes known for:

Successful theft
  • Easy export
  • Predictable resale
You get:
  • Copycat behavior
  • Tool sharing
  • Training of new crews
  • Rapid clustering of incidents
That’s why forums can suddenly look “Canada-heavy.”
 
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Interesting facts regarding thefts in Canada vs US. I was chatting with AI ChatGPT about this theft and it had some interesting info on Canada vs US car thefts:


Why Canada shows up disproportionately in these theft reports
1️⃣
Export logistics strongly favor Canada


This is the single biggest factor.
  • Canada has major container ports very close to large metro areas
  • Stolen vehicles can be:
    • Moved to a port quickly
    • Loaded into containers
    • Exported overseas with comparatively low friction
Once a car is exported:
  • Recovery becomes extremely unlikely
  • The risk to the theft ring drops sharply
In the U.S.:
  • Export paths exist, but
  • Distances, port access, and enforcement patterns often raise the risk and cost
So from a criminal perspective:

2️⃣
Insurance and enforcement dynamics differ

Speaking generally:
  • Canadian auto insurance is more centralized and standardized
  • Losses are spread differently across the system
  • Theft rings often perceive:
    • Slower interdiction
    • Less aggressive federal involvement on export theft

That perception — whether fully accurate or not — changes behavior.

Criminal networks go where they believe the odds are better.
3️⃣
Urban design and parking patterns


In many Canadian cities:

More driveway and street parking
  • Fewer private garages than comparable U.S. suburbs
  • Dense residential layouts with easy vehicle access
That increases:
  • Opportunity
  • Anonymity
  • Low-risk staging (like the parked car you described earlier)
4️⃣
Same cars, same vulnerabilities


Important clarification:

  • Same manufacturers
  • Same platforms
  • Same keyless systems
  • Same software families
So this is not a “Canada has worse security” issue.

5️⃣
Concentration effects


Once a region becomes known for:

Successful theft
  • Easy export
  • Predictable resale
You get:
  • Copycat behavior
  • Tool sharing
  • Training of new crews
  • Rapid clustering of incidents
That’s why forums can suddenly look “Canada-heavy.”
Thanks, some of the stuff mentioned are very accurate and very informative.
 

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No really, I think it’s because you don’t see these types of thefts in the USA as much as in Canada, specifically on Toyota cars and Lexus
I'm in Ontario with you! I hate going to the GTA and Ottawa area worrying about my wheels going missing again.
 
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I'm in Ontario with you! I hate going to the GTA and Ottawa area worrying about my wheels going missing again.
I’m in Kitchener Ontario, It’s getting worse everywhere, it’s sad that you can’t even go grocery shopping without worrying about your car in the parking lot.
 

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Sad news, I picked up my 4Runner (platinum) last Thursday and this morning at 3:05am our 4Runner was stolen using key fob cloning.

Updated with video:

Did the tracking system locate your car or were the police ever able to recover your 4Runner? If so, was it still in relatively good condition when you got it back?
 
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Did the tracking system locate your car or were the police ever able to recover your 4Runner? If so, was it still in relatively good condition when you got it back?
KYCS the company that trucked the car was able to tell the police were the car was parked, the car was recovered 3 hours later with lots of electronics, damaged, the car was at the dealership for repairs for 5-1/2 months waiting for parts, I just got the car back at the end of January, since then I installed an inmmobilizer (Ghost)
 

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KYCS the company that trucked the car was able to tell the police were the car was parked, the car was recovered 3 hours later with lots of electronics, damaged, the car was at the dealership for repairs for 5-1/2 months waiting for parts, I just got the car back at the end of January, since then I installed an inmmobilizer (Ghost)
That sucks about the damage the thieves did to it. But I'm glad to hear it was recovered and you were able to get it repaired. How much did it cost for the immobilizer and the installation? Did you have the dealership install it?
 
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That sucks about the damage the thieves did to it. But I'm glad to hear it was recovered and you were able to get it repaired. How much did it cost for the immobilizer and the installation? Did you have the dealership install it?
It was very stressful time total cost of damage $28 thousand nothing outside everything was inside damage.
I got the Ghost installed for $1499 Canadians very happy with it.
It was not installed at the dealership.
 

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Fucking heartbreaking to know this can happen esssntially anywhere at anytime. I don't want the keyless entry because of shit like this. Vehicle manufacturers should be required by government to provide more secure & theft resistant methods if they want to produce and sell their vehicles. I hate fucking thieves with extreme prejudice! Some asshole(s) recently stole the cats from my 1st Gen Tundra in January after I've owned the truck for nearly 23 years. It ran fantastically well but I surrendered it to the extortionist insurance company with 363,509 miles on it only because I don't want to be watching two vehicles anymore & I didn't have time to find a private buyer for it before a decision had to be made.
 
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Fucking heartbreaking to know this can happen esssntially anywhere at anytime. I don't want the keyless entry because of shit like this. Vehicle manufacturers should be required by government to provide more secure & theft resistant methods if they want to produce and sell their vehicles. I hate fucking thieves with extreme prejudice! Some asshole(s) recently stole the cats from my 1st Gen Tundra in January after I've owned the truck for nearly 23 years. It ran fantastically well but I surrendereded it to the extortionist insurance company with 363,509 miles on it only because I don't want to be watching two vehicles anymore & I didn't have time to find a private buyer for it before a decision had to be made.
I totally agree with you! Manufactures should do better!!! We’re paying big bucks for these vehicles and it seems that they are getting easier and easier to steal them.
Thank you 🙏
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