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Its clear we disagree. To each his own.
My own solution was to find a 2023 5th Gen ORP+ with about 25K miles. I’ll pick it up Monday morning and drive it back a couple of hours. I found that dealers were asking up to $10K+ for essentially same Gen5 4Rs, so looking around and negotiating the price vigorously, walking away when warranted - something I’ve always done on car purchases - still works. Even in a market with people paying whatever dealers ask and taking whatever profit-generator useless options are shoveled into the cars by distributors and dealers.
I have no problem with anyone who’s ready to part with their money easily, I just don’t happen to be one of those buyers. YMMV
My own solution was to find a 2023 5th Gen ORP+ with about 25K miles. I’ll pick it up Monday morning and drive it back a couple of hours. I found that dealers were asking up to $10K+ for essentially same Gen5 4Rs, so looking around and negotiating the price vigorously, walking away when warranted - something I’ve always done on car purchases - still works. Even in a market with people paying whatever dealers ask and taking whatever profit-generator useless options are shoveled into the cars by distributors and dealers.
I have no problem with anyone who’s ready to part with their money easily, I just don’t happen to be one of those buyers. YMMV
Found this! TRD Sport Premium - MSRP, No mark up or any add-ons except a upgrade paint (Wind Chill Pearl), Moonroof, and Tow Package. Processing fee is a bit steep.
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Based on what I’ve found so far used Gen 5 2023-2024s with 25K or less odometers in my area are priced close to or over their MSRP when they were new with zero mileage. Don’t know what they’re actually selling for.
I believe where prices are dropping are 4Rs in less popular colors or extensive aftermarket mods of unknown provenance. Condition still matters in how quickly they’re selling.
I believe where prices are dropping are 4Rs in less popular colors or extensive aftermarket mods of unknown provenance. Condition still matters in how quickly they’re selling.
People just need to be patient. If you don't absolutely need a new vehicle this week just wait... wait 6-9 months and you can save yourself 3, 4, 5 thousand dollars.
By the fall 2025 4Runners will be going for less than MSRP... at least to smart buyers.
The only exceptions will likely be the TRD Pro and Trailhunter. If Toyota only builds them in very low volume then MSRP and up could be around for a year or more.
By the fall 2025 4Runners will be going for less than MSRP... at least to smart buyers.
The only exceptions will likely be the TRD Pro and Trailhunter. If Toyota only builds them in very low volume then MSRP and up could be around for a year or more.
Howdy folks - Sharing my first experience in hunting down an 2025 ORP...
Dealer had a specific allocation which hit all of the boxes. Show up, look at terms, consider a deposit, share ideal payment structure, then get their "first offer'...
Offer_1: With dealer mark-ups and 'market adjustments' added, $82K was their first offer out the door. Does not include the interest for the loan. Looking at $86-$88k all things considered. Immediately start considering what my GX550 could cost out the door. Very similar.
Quickly say no and push back. With a $12k down payment, perfect credit, trade-in sitting in my back pocket, and considering no more than a 60-mo finance term, they come back with a 12% APR offer. Not going to work. I bring up potentially coming out in cash (didn't say, but would get a credit union money loan at a better rate). Dealer said they would mark-up the vehicle 10% for cash offers.
Offer_2: Ok, we've got some adjustments here from the finance folk. How is a $1200 payment with the above terms? Still a no from me, say I won't pay over $800 a month max. I've run the numbers on my own and this is easily manageable/obtainable with the combination of my table items (e.g. down payment, credit, potential trade-in if necessary).
Offer_3: Sales folk sits with his finance team and, after a brief huddle, comes back with a new offer...This time, we're looking at $76k out the door (not including interest across the life of the loan). So, all things considered, about $82k. Not going to happen for an ORP.
Decide to walk out and give up the allocation to somebody else. Dealer wouldn't budge on their 'dealer-added mark ups' of $3,500 to essentially tint the windows and apply a clear coat on the paint 3x. Mark-up to 'adjust' for market shortage was $5k and non-negotiable. 12% APR was best they could do with an excellent credit score + history. Dealer wouldn't consider even a maximum 105% MSRP negotiation which I would consider if they offered competitive financing 6-9%.
Dealer lost my business on this one. On to the next dealer in the area. Don't settle, folks. Good luck!
Dealer had a specific allocation which hit all of the boxes. Show up, look at terms, consider a deposit, share ideal payment structure, then get their "first offer'...
Offer_1: With dealer mark-ups and 'market adjustments' added, $82K was their first offer out the door. Does not include the interest for the loan. Looking at $86-$88k all things considered. Immediately start considering what my GX550 could cost out the door. Very similar.
Quickly say no and push back. With a $12k down payment, perfect credit, trade-in sitting in my back pocket, and considering no more than a 60-mo finance term, they come back with a 12% APR offer. Not going to work. I bring up potentially coming out in cash (didn't say, but would get a credit union money loan at a better rate). Dealer said they would mark-up the vehicle 10% for cash offers.
Offer_2: Ok, we've got some adjustments here from the finance folk. How is a $1200 payment with the above terms? Still a no from me, say I won't pay over $800 a month max. I've run the numbers on my own and this is easily manageable/obtainable with the combination of my table items (e.g. down payment, credit, potential trade-in if necessary).
Offer_3: Sales folk sits with his finance team and, after a brief huddle, comes back with a new offer...This time, we're looking at $76k out the door (not including interest across the life of the loan). So, all things considered, about $82k. Not going to happen for an ORP.
Decide to walk out and give up the allocation to somebody else. Dealer wouldn't budge on their 'dealer-added mark ups' of $3,500 to essentially tint the windows and apply a clear coat on the paint 3x. Mark-up to 'adjust' for market shortage was $5k and non-negotiable. 12% APR was best they could do with an excellent credit score + history. Dealer wouldn't consider even a maximum 105% MSRP negotiation which I would consider if they offered competitive financing 6-9%.
Dealer lost my business on this one. On to the next dealer in the area. Don't settle, folks. Good luck!
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Everybody is different but I refuse to put up with this kind bullshit. I would have walked the moment they said $82K. I would never do business with them and I would publicly shame them every chance I get the rest of my life.
This is why in the age of the internet I don't even step on to a dealers lot until I have a done deal. And I don't start shopping a model until this initial insanity is over.
Name and shame that dealer lol
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The protect package and PDI are junk fees. This is a HARD PASS. Don't anyone fall for this. They are getting you on these crap add-ons and markups. Just say NO.Absolutely sure. They were claiming it was because it’d be the first TRD Pro for a long time in Las Vegas. The funny part is that the week after, another dealership reached out with a $10K markup. I’ve decided to wait and see.
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