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[ScoMay]

you do realize toyota has to pay someone for that feature/updates. if you want updates you pay for it. my 2014, i never updated the maps in 12 yrs.

google pays for it also but the cost is not passed onto consumer's. usually business pay for the api use for themselves or thru ads.

trust me, that free stuff from google is being paid by someone (and as a consumer your data is being harvested so you are indirectly paying for it)

Not arguing against your point. I understand that’s how capitalism works sometimes.

But I have a 22 Ram pickup and a 25 MB Sprinter. Neither of them required me to subscribe for navigation. Certainly their cost for that is built into the selling price of each vehicle. Toyota should have done the same.

Compound that with the price increase for a 25 Pro vs the previous gen 5 Pro: increased from $57K to $70K. Seemed kind of like a slap in the face to then have to pay for navigation - which was included for no additional fee in the 5th gen.

And, yes, there is way more technology in that newer Pro (which my salesman was quick to point out), but that is countered by the (as yet) unanswered question of reliability on the 4 cyl hybrid.

Don’t get me wrong. I love my Pro. It just feels like Toyota took the wrong approach. If it had cost $70.5K I still would have bought it and would not be ranting here right now.

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[Nodak]

Not arguing against your point. I understand that’s how capitalism works sometimes.

But I have a 22 Ram pickup and a 25 MB Sprinter. Neither of them required me to subscribe for navigation. Certainly their cost for that is built into the selling price of each vehicle. Toyota should have done the same.

Compound that with the price increase for a 25 Pro vs the previous gen 5 Pro: increased from $57K to $70K. Seemed kind of like a slap in the face to then have to pay for navigation - which was included for no additional fee in the 5th gen.

And, yes, there is way more technology in that newer Pro (which my salesman was quick to point out), but that is countered by the (as yet) unanswered question of reliability on the 4 cyl hybrid.

Don’t get me wrong. I love my Pro. It just feels like Toyota took the wrong approach. If it had cost $70.5K I still would have bought it and would not be ranting here right now.

meh, but sides are valid. but from my pov, i just ignore the toyota nav and just use carplay or AA for short trips.

but on long trips, i just use my garmin 7in gps, at least i dont have any moving restrictions like carplay/AA (yes i know, i am old school and i still have the old paper maps)

plus with my garmin i can use basecamp and make my own route for the gps to follow. i have a pre-made route to go see my mom (ND to GA 1750 miles 1-way) and key points highlighted for my motel stays.

what use to take 2 days (1 motel night), now takes 3 days and 2 motel stays. cant do 1700 miles in 2 days anymore at my age.

 

[Archer]

I hear ya, I'm pretty old school myself but I didn't buy an old school vehicle, I bought and paid for a state of the art vehicle that should have a standard map app without having to pay a monthly fee for.

I too can preplan my trips and makes routes in OnX but again this is the only vehicle I've had that you had to pay for a map app and between my personal vehicles and my work vans I'm buying vehicles every couple of years and this is the first one that doesn't have an included map app.

Not to mention when offroading with no cell service, then AA or carplay or any other internet based app is not going to work unless you have the map downloaded beforehand.

I don't think I can see them justify this. JMHO


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[mfoga]

I hear ya, I'm pretty old school myself but I didn't buy an old school vehicle, I bought and paid for a state of the art vehicle that should have a standard map app without having to pay a monthly fee for.

I too can preplan my trips and makes routes in OnX but again this is the only vehicle I've had that you had to pay for a map app and between my personal vehicles and my work vans I'm buying vehicles every couple of years and this is the first one that doesn't have an included map app.

Not to mention when offroading with no cell service, then AA or carplay or any other internet based app is not going to work unless you have the map downloaded beforehand.

I don't think I can see them justify this. JMHO


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I have not looked at the Toyota maps but do they cover off road trails?

 

[Archer]

I have not looked at the Toyota maps but do they cover off road trails?

No they don't, I guess I worded that badly, but I live in the mountains so cell service is spotty at best and the only map app that works well is the Toyota app.

 

[Nodak]

even if toyota had off road maps, dont think anyone would trust it vs a dedicated app like onX

same goes for bigger RV's and semi, they tend to use dedicated gps devices catered to either RV's or semi's vs using google or free gps services.

i know garmin has specific gps devices dedicated to just RV's and to truckers (road height restrictions, narrow roads, hard to turn around roads)

the rv one is pretty nice but spendy if you get the 10in model ($900) vs the 7in model for ($450) (i use the 7in car model, which was cheaper $300)

• Travel confidently along a custom route that’s based on the size and weight of your rig.
• Know what’s ahead with road warnings for steep grades, sharp curves and more.
• Arrival at your campsite has never been easier, thanks to BirdsEye Direct Satellite Imagery.

 

[Archer]

even if toyota had off road maps, dont think anyone would trust it vs a dedicated app like onX

same goes for bigger RV's and semi, they tend to use dedicated gps devices catered to either RV's or semi's vs using google or free gps services.

i know garmin has specific gps devices dedicated to just RV's and to truckers (road height restrictions, narrow roads, hard to turn around roads)

the rv one is pretty nice but spendy if you get the 10in model ($900) vs the 7in model for ($450) (i use the 7in car model, which was cheaper $300)

• Travel confidently along a custom route that’s based on the size and weight of your rig.
• Know what’s ahead with road warnings for steep grades, sharp curves and more.
• Arrival at your campsite has never been easier, thanks to BirdsEye Direct Satellite Imagery.

I appreciate your post about the other available options out there but that isn't the point of this thread. Why should I have to spend any more money after just purchasing a 70K+ vehicle with a 14" display screen that is basically useless for travel after the trial period.

I'm not the only one thinking this policy is bad, plenty of posts on the net complaining about not only Toyota's policy but other manufacturer's starting to do the same thing.

I don't have a problem with them charging for the remote app but not to have a map app built into a infotainment system without paying a monthly fee just seems unethical.

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[Nodak]

yep i understand. too bad they went to cloud nav which requires a sub (at least my 2014 worked but it was 12 yrs outdated). but at least they let you use an alternative free option.

i mean google maps or apple maps will satisfy most peoples general needs (and for those that need offline maps you can pre download maps for google for that also)

niche uses the free stuff will never do (onX)

to download offlilne maps, you bring up the maps app on your phone, click your profile and there is an entry for offline map

you would have to download multiple slots to cover area's of the usa since the window to download is pretty small

and to download my whole trip from ND to GA, i had to slice the route up across 8 parts for about 2.6 GB of storage. bigger cities take up more data, vs out in the middle of no where like ND.

also if you zoom in for a smaller area, you can minimize the storage size.

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