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Anyone running the Nitto Terra grappler G3? 265/70/18. Trying to decide between those or falken wildpeak at4w. SL load. Mostly all driving highway and road. Some logging roads here and there. TRD OPR
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On my Trailhunter 4Runner, I'm still running the stock Toyo AT III original equipment versions which supposedly are 39 lbs. each.
Researching further the Nitto Terra Grappler G3 in the "SL" , not "E", rating would weight 45 lbs each. Try not to buy the "E" rated tires as they'll likely be heavier and probably less comfortable with the higher load rating.
The Falken AT3W "A" would be 51 lbs each.
I found heavier tires will noticeably affect acceleration and MPG, and I don't like losing those things.
I prefer weight as the main factor of consideration, but have tried heavier tires on my Tacoma previously.
Other factors I consider are either AT or M&S rated and 3PMSF snow rated. My current Tacoma tires aren't 3PMSF rated but I'm not driving it the snow much this year, yet they still work fine (as I type, I can't even remember what tires I have on the '17 Tacoma right now, but I think they're Toyo brand).
To answer the question between the Nitto and Falken brands in Post 1, I'd then go with Nitto in the SL 45 pound version, but consider the Toyo brand original equipment version I have on my Trailhunter 4Runner.
Researching further the Nitto Terra Grappler G3 in the "SL" , not "E", rating would weight 45 lbs each. Try not to buy the "E" rated tires as they'll likely be heavier and probably less comfortable with the higher load rating.
The Falken AT3W "A" would be 51 lbs each.
I found heavier tires will noticeably affect acceleration and MPG, and I don't like losing those things.
I prefer weight as the main factor of consideration, but have tried heavier tires on my Tacoma previously.
Other factors I consider are either AT or M&S rated and 3PMSF snow rated. My current Tacoma tires aren't 3PMSF rated but I'm not driving it the snow much this year, yet they still work fine (as I type, I can't even remember what tires I have on the '17 Tacoma right now, but I think they're Toyo brand).
To answer the question between the Nitto and Falken brands in Post 1, I'd then go with Nitto in the SL 45 pound version, but consider the Toyo brand original equipment version I have on my Trailhunter 4Runner.
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Here are some forum members that have installed Nitto Grappler G3 265/70/18 - might want to check their threads for feedback:
https://www.4runner6g.com/forum/thr...talled-on-18-factory-upgrade-trd-wheels.2790/ -- by @Ericd6972
https://www.4runner6g.com/forum/threads/wildpeak-vs-terra-grappler-g3-–-sl-load-for-orp-hybrid.4686/ -- by @pauleighty
I was leaning on the g3 as well after all my research but they just released the new pirelli AT and it seems promising so im waiting for the 285 to drop on that.
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Ref. Post 3,
So far, my stock Toyo tires are working well. Only a little snow & ice this year in the Lake Tahoe area and further into Nevada, however. Depending on the weather, during a good snow storm, I might need to drive anywhere from 15 to 60 miles in 4WD on Interstate 80 between Sacramento CA to Truckee CA/stateline between CA/NV.
With my 2017 Tacoma, I went from stock Goodyear Kevlar Wranglers (probably ~39 lbs/tire) to Goodyear Duratrac load E tires (~50 lbs/tire). Exact tire models and specs likely have changed a little over the years, I imagine. I lost ~2 mpg with heavier tires.
I'm only getting up to 20 mpg with my Trailhunter 4Runner and will average closer to 15-17 mpg with freeway and local street driving combined. I also felt slower acceleration with those heavier tires. That's subjective as I wasn't doing any timed runs such as 0-60 mph or 30-60 mph timing.
Regarding 3PMSF. I don't drive anywhere which requires this rating (three peak mountain snow flake) and my only understanding is this rating may allow a slightly shorter stopping distance. How much shorter and at what speed is unknown to me. Maybe someone else knows and might it be 5' shorter at 50 mph, I'm just guessing? I'll attempt an internet search after I post this reply.
OK, here's what an internet AI query provided and it appears stopping distance can even be better than I thought:
"Three-Peak Mountain Snowflake (3PMSF) tires, which include dedicated winter tires and many all-weather tires, generally offer 25% to 30% shorter stopping distances on snow and ice compared to standard all-season (M+S) tires. In some severe, high-speed, or icy conditions, this improvement can be as high as 30–40%. "
So far, my stock Toyo tires are working well. Only a little snow & ice this year in the Lake Tahoe area and further into Nevada, however. Depending on the weather, during a good snow storm, I might need to drive anywhere from 15 to 60 miles in 4WD on Interstate 80 between Sacramento CA to Truckee CA/stateline between CA/NV.
With my 2017 Tacoma, I went from stock Goodyear Kevlar Wranglers (probably ~39 lbs/tire) to Goodyear Duratrac load E tires (~50 lbs/tire). Exact tire models and specs likely have changed a little over the years, I imagine. I lost ~2 mpg with heavier tires.
I'm only getting up to 20 mpg with my Trailhunter 4Runner and will average closer to 15-17 mpg with freeway and local street driving combined. I also felt slower acceleration with those heavier tires. That's subjective as I wasn't doing any timed runs such as 0-60 mph or 30-60 mph timing.
Regarding 3PMSF. I don't drive anywhere which requires this rating (three peak mountain snow flake) and my only understanding is this rating may allow a slightly shorter stopping distance. How much shorter and at what speed is unknown to me. Maybe someone else knows and might it be 5' shorter at 50 mph, I'm just guessing? I'll attempt an internet search after I post this reply.
OK, here's what an internet AI query provided and it appears stopping distance can even be better than I thought:
"Three-Peak Mountain Snowflake (3PMSF) tires, which include dedicated winter tires and many all-weather tires, generally offer 25% to 30% shorter stopping distances on snow and ice compared to standard all-season (M+S) tires. In some severe, high-speed, or icy conditions, this improvement can be as high as 30–40%. "
I looked at those tires initially but steered away from them due to the weight, price and ability to handle the snow. I ended up with Toyo AT 3
I can not speak to the 4Runner specifically yet as I am still running stock tires. However yes affects MPG and acceleration a lot! I put off road tires on my Porsche Cayenne S, because of where I live, huge difference even with the increased power of the Porsche still noticed a huge difference and dropped MPG by 6MPG. That was with an 8lb weight increase per tire.
I run 265/60R20 Terra grappler g3s and have been exceedingly happy with them! I can’t speak to snow much yet, however.
I have the G3s on my GX 460 in 265-65-18 (XL) and it's the first true A/T tire I've put on a vehicle. The handling, stability, and ride quality improved over the stock Michelins I had before. The biggest downside is the typical A/T tire noise at lower speeds (35-50 mph). My friend has the Wildpeak A/T4s on his GX460 and they seem louder than the Nittos and weigh more. The only thing I'd change is to make them quieter but I don't think they are any louder than other A/T tires on the market.
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