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I'm in the market for a TRD Pro and was wondering about the difficulty/cost of a full body paint job. I'd like to get the Pro in the Mudbath color, but I'd have to get it without seeing it in person. I saw an Icecap version and loved it. Assuming the worse case scenario, how much does it generally cost to get a well done full-body paint job on a 4runner. Would they be able to nail the Icecap color and make it look as though it was the original?
I have the 4Runner Trail Hunter in the underground color. The paint quality is not as good as my previous 4Runnerunners or my other Toyotas. I got a price of $12,500 to repaint it in the same color with better quality paint. I'm sure you can get cheaper paint jobs but like other people have suggested, it's cheaper to trade in for a different color than it is to repaint at a high quality. My problem with the Toyota paint is it's a fingerprint magnet and scratches extremely easily. But since I plan on keeping this and it will probably be my last vehicle, I'm willing to pay it.
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I have the 4Runner Trail Hunter in the underground color. The paint quality is not as good as my previous 4Runnerunners or my other Toyotas. I got a price of $12,500 to repaint it in the same color with better quality paint. I'm sure you can get cheaper paint jobs but like other people have suggested, it's cheaper to trade in for a different color than it is to repaint at a high quality. My problem with the Toyota paint is it's a fingerprint magnet and scratches extremely easily. But since I plan on keeping this and it will probably be my last vehicle, I'm willing to pay it.
Take it to someone that's good at paint correction and ceramic finishes. Had mine done by one of my son's buddies who has a successful detailing business and it loos like glass
 

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Take it to someone that's good at paint correction and ceramic finishes. Had mine done by one of my son's buddies who has a successful detailing business and it loos like glass
I did have it ceramic coated but that didn't fix the fingerprint issue. I was thinking about wrapping it but the trails I go through in Colorado are very narrow and would damage the wrap. Toyotas are superior in many ways, my 2006 Toyota Matrix that I have kept up with still has the original great looking paint on it. They certainly have downgraded the paint quality in subsequent years. Even my 2021 Jeep Wrangler which I hated with a passion, had better paint and didn't scratch easily on those trails. My original 1985 4Runner looked great the entire 25 years I drove it. I'll get the new paint job with the same color, and ceramic coat it and hopefully be done with it.
 

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Id rather wrap the whole car for 5-7K and call it a day. If you think your new paint will not scratch then you'll set yourself up for disappointment. Darker paint amplifies every little fine scratch/swirl in the clearcoat.

Never take it to an automatic car wash, wash it yourself. Touchless first then touchwash. If you want to forget about that, buy white color next time, you wont see fine scratches/swirls. Also, what if someone rams into you and totals it? I say maintain/paint it as needed. Or fully wrap it.

I've checked the paint thickness and its 230-275um. Which is good. Except the hood, they have that dialed down to 125um. Now a days you'll mostly see 100-150. For starters why don't you buy a paint thickness gauge on amazon, check the thickness.
 

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I did have it ceramic coated but that didn't fix the fingerprint issue. I was thinking about wrapping it but the trails I go through in Colorado are very narrow and would damage the wrap. Toyotas are superior in many ways, my 2006 Toyota Matrix that I have kept up with still has the original great looking paint on it. They certainly have downgraded the paint quality in subsequent years. Even my 2021 Jeep Wrangler which I hated with a passion, had better paint and didn't scratch easily on those trails. My original 1985 4Runner looked great the entire 25 years I drove it. I'll get the new paint job with the same color, and ceramic coat it and hopefully be done with it.
You have the government to thank for shitty paint. For years they've been removing ingredients that make paint paint. I know there are various products for ceramic coatings. I paid $2K to have mine done. I had my last TRD Pro for eight years and always had them do a maintenance each year for around $600. I have no visible orange peel and haven't noticed any finger prints in the Black finish. Mine stays indoors but gets driven, and I don't wash it unless he does it. The older one was the Blue/Black Metallic and it always looked pristine. If you're getting finger prints, sounds as if the finish hasn't cured properly. I may be wrong, but thinking they put the vehicle in a tent type enclosure and used infrared lamps to cure the finish? The process takes about 2 days
 

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We have a '25 TRD ORP-IMAX in Everest. After having Cammeron do it, the color of the paint seemed to change color. It seems to be a darker green now, and the shine is incredible considering how it looked new
 

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You have the government to thank for shitty paint. For years they've been removing ingredients that make paint paint. I know there are various products for ceramic coatings. I paid $2K to have mine done. I had my last TRD Pro for eight years and always had them do a maintenance each year for around $600. I have no visible orange peel and haven't noticed any finger prints in the Black finish. Mine stays indoors but gets driven, and I don't wash it unless he does it. The older one was the Blue/Black Metallic and it always looked pristine. If you're getting finger prints, sounds as if the finish hasn't cured properly. I may be wrong, but thinking they put the vehicle in a tent type enclosure and used infrared lamps to cure the finish? The process takes about 2 days
not really true, if American car companies like Jeep are still putting great paint on their vehicles Toyota could do it as well. I realize they're doing it for a cost cutting measure but environmental issues are not at play here. My local paint shop said there really aren't any regulations requiring them to use any different paint than they always have been using. I've seen some false internet posts about this that turn out not to be true.
 

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Id rather wrap the whole car for 5-7K and call it a day. If you think your new paint will not scratch then you'll set yourself up for disappointment. Darker paint amplifies every little fine scratch/swirl in the clearcoat.

Never take it to an automatic car wash, wash it yourself. Touchless first then touchwash. If you want to forget about that, buy white color next time, you wont see fine scratches/swirls. Also, what if someone rams into you and totals it? I say maintain/paint it as needed. Or fully wrap it.

I've checked the paint thickness and its 230-275um. Which is good. Except the hood, they have that dialed down to 125um. Now a days you'll mostly see 100-150. For starters why don't you buy a paint thickness gauge on amazon, check the thickness.
Well I'm not quite geeked out enough to buy a buy a paint thickness meter, pretty obvious when I'm washing the truck and rub a little too hard in one area and it scratches the paint. It's crappy paint. I will have it repainted by the same people that painted my Porsche 911 that doesn't have fingerprints on it and the paint looks like it's a mile deep. Yes it will be expensive, but it's the last vehicle I'll ever own. I made the mistake of wrapping my 2018 Porsche 911 turbo, I was constantly having the front bumper and hood re-wrapped because of rock chips. I know wrap is supposed to self-heal but it doesn't in real life. The paint is only 12K, I think that's a steel for a lifetime of good paint.
 

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not really true, if American car companies like Jeep are still putting great paint on their vehicles Toyota could do it as well. I realize they're doing it for a cost cutting measure but environmental issues are not at play here. My local paint shop said there really aren't any regulations requiring them to use any different paint than they always have been using. I've seen some false internet posts about this that turn out not to be true.
incorrect. your paint shop and the next 100 paint shops are one tiny little thing that
can't come anywhere close to the numbers auto manufactures use...they deal with local
or state regulations, and not the ones that govern auto manufacturers

it's not cost cutting at all to use water based paint, it costs a lot more and takes more prep
and it harder to maintain. VOC's are far cheaper and easier to apply and easier to maintain

Toyota alone is painting >13,800 vehicles every day. volatile organic compound paints
which damage the atmosphere and environment are highly regulated for auto manufacturers
worldwide, the auto industry uses 16 billion dollars of paint per year. you bet banning VOC's makes a huge impact.
 

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I did have it ceramic coated but that didn't fix the fingerprint issue. I was thinking about wrapping it but the trails I go through in Colorado are very narrow and would damage the wrap. Toyotas are superior in many ways, my 2006 Toyota Matrix that I have kept up with still has the original great looking paint on it. They certainly have downgraded the paint quality in subsequent years. Even my 2021 Jeep Wrangler which I hated with a passion, had better paint and didn't scratch easily on those trails. My original 1985 4Runner looked great the entire 25 years I drove it. I'll get the new paint job with the same color, and ceramic coat it and hopefully be done with it.
You're comparing the old paint with high VOCs that the Feds banned a few years back. No modern paint will be that durable, even aftermarket.
 

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not really true, if American car companies like Jeep are still putting great paint on their vehicles Toyota could do it as well. I realize they're doing it for a cost cutting measure but environmental issues are not at play here. My local paint shop said there really aren't any regulations requiring them to use any different paint than they always have been using. I've seen some false internet posts about this that turn out not to be true.
Yea jeeps paint/prep is so great that the metal below the paint starts rusting only after a few years.

 

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In a previous life, I was in the single family construction business. 20 plus years ago I went to the annual National Homebuilder's Conference where I attended an EPA class where I heard numerous attendees in the commercial painting industry speak of how much their costs had skyrocketed in California regarding ever changing regulations aimed towards their industry. I'm sure some may have been overdo, but they repeatedly said that they spent 3 times the cost when disposing empty paint containers than they paid for the original full container. Someone thinking that paint is still paint is very uninformed. If you take every thing out of paint that makes it paint so that is more efficient to use and dispose, you have the crap that you're complaining about. I'm guessing that's why so many things we're purchasing are made of plastics? It's amazing how technology always seems to overcome hurdles like this. Paint finishes are looking better, but they've got ways to go as far as durabilities. I went out in the garage and touched the hood on the 4Runner and left a finger print in the paint. I'm guessing if I had wiped down my finger tips with acetone maybe the results may have been different. I suggest getting your 4Runner cleaned and purchase a nice pair of gloves to wear when you operate your car. Think how much you've saved considering you won't need to paint your vehicle. Who knows, Gloves could be the next new thing :cool:
 

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Yea jeeps paint/prep is so great that the metal below the paint starts rusting only after a few years.

silliness, the 2021 Jeep Wrangler is made of aluminum and would not rest.
In a previous life, I was in the single family construction business. 20 plus years ago I went to the annual National Homebuilder's Conference where I attended an EPA class where I heard numerous attendees in the commercial painting industry speak of how much their costs had skyrocketed in California regarding ever changing regulations aimed towards their industry. I'm sure some may have been overdo, but they repeatedly said that they spent 3 times the cost when disposing empty paint containers than they paid for the original full container. Someone thinking that paint is still paint is very uninformed. If you take every thing out of paint that makes it paint so that is more efficient to use and dispose, you have the crap that you're complaining about. I'm guessing that's why so many things we're purchasing are made of plastics? It's amazing how technology always seems to overcome hurdles like this. Paint finishes are looking better, but they've got ways to go as far as durabilities. I went out in the garage and touched the hood on the 4Runner and left a finger print in the paint. I'm guessing if I had wiped down my finger tips with acetone maybe the results may have been different. I suggest getting your 4Runner cleaned and purchase a nice pair of gloves to wear when you operate your car. Think how much you've saved considering you won't need to paint your vehicle. Who knows, Gloves could be the next new thing :cool:
What a stupid statement. And most of it untrue. Nice try dumbass.
 

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incorrect. your paint shop and the next 100 paint shops are one tiny little thing that
can't come anywhere close to the numbers auto manufactures use...they deal with local
or state regulations, and not the ones that govern auto manufacturers

it's not cost cutting at all to use water based paint, it costs a lot more and takes more prep
and it harder to maintain. VOC's are far cheaper and easier to apply and easier to maintain

Toyota alone is painting >13,800 vehicles every day. volatile organic compound paints
which damage the atmosphere and environment are highly regulated for auto manufacturers
worldwide, the auto industry uses 16 billion dollars of paint per year. you bet banning VOC's makes a huge impact.
Hilarious, my local paint shop definitely does a better job than OEM. Having restored many vehicles, My paint shop paint looks and lasts a lifetime unlike the OEM paints that Toyota is currently using.
 

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Hilarious, my local paint shop definitely does a better job than OEM. Having restored many vehicles, My paint shop paint looks and lasts a lifetime unlike the OEM paints that Toyota is currently using.
I am not talking about the quality of the final job, I am talking about why they use no VOC paints, and it costs Toyota more to use it, and it takes more prep, and it is harder to do well, and harder to maintain....and that small paint shop operations can do pretty much whatever they want and use VOC paints since they are less regulated at the small potato level. You want a mass produced product, you often get something more tightly regulated.

Honestly, I just buy a Toyota and keep them till the wheels fall off. and I don't fuss over small paint defects or little stuff, because literally no one else gives a crap how clean or how tight the finish is on my rig. It's all in the owners head Oh I need to have this sparking all the time and that little ding or rock chip is driving me insane. well if you live to showboat maybe that is a real problem for you. No one else gives a crap really. So if you buy a toyota and the paint really has defects or peels off, sure Toyota will go fix it for you.

But complaining about
"Well in the old days we use highly toxic and poisonous lead based paints and it was sooo much more durable that the shit they use today"...blahblahblah....well get over it

(a) no one cares and (b) go to your own local paint shop and get that 88 layer candy coat you are dying for so you can Bro-doze and Mallcrawl in style
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