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  1. Which Should You Buy? 2025 Land Cruiser vs. 2025 4Runner TRD Off-Road -- Verdict: 4Runner is Clear Winner

    A year ago I walked into my local Toyota dealer and put 500$ down to get in line for a Land Cruiser. I just assumed it would be a discount Lexus and I was excited about it being a hybrid. However, driving reviews have not been great. It's heavy and under powered and cheap. I called my salesman...
  2. Black SR5 2025 4Runner 6th gen w/ black wheels and Predator tube side steps @ dealership

    "Predator" tube steps must be one of the most juvenile and pointless branding exercises of all time.
  3. Which Should You Buy? 2025 Land Cruiser vs. 2025 4Runner TRD Off-Road -- Verdict: 4Runner is Clear Winner

    The 4Runner is only superficially different to the Land Cruiser. Whatever critiques there are of the Land Cruiser's powertrain are going to carry right across to the 4Runner. The added power and torque of the 400 pound hybrid battery system is not worth the added cost, complexity and weight for...
  4. How We'd Spec It: 2025 Toyota 4Runner from the Bottom to the Top Trim (by Car and Driver editors)

    Valid comments about how overpriced it is. Hybrid also not worth it. For the price Toyota is charging it should have the Lexus turbo v6.
  5. How many Trailhunter buyers actually need or want a "snorkel"?

    Curious how many Trailhunter buyers actually need or want a "snorkel". Who crosses deep enough streams or bombs through the desert in their 70k SUV? It's a genuine question -- not hating at all. I live on the East Coast and I can't think of any places it makes sense.
  6. Moving Up Trim Levels is Poor Value

    Both Jeep and Ford offer lower starting prices for their off road SUV products.
  7. Moving Up Trim Levels is Poor Value

    It's plausible, primarily due to the 4Runner having so little direct competition. But, there's data that suggest there is a wider market slowdown occurring at the moment. I don't need to do anything so I am going to hold off for now.
  8. Moving Up Trim Levels is Poor Value

    Nothing to do with my point that the trim levels are obscenely inflated. Jeep, Ford, GM, it always backfires. Toyota is a strong brand no doubt. Maybe they can pull it off. Maybe I'll just wait 9 months and buy an SR5 for 40k.
  9. Moving Up Trim Levels is Poor Value

    No worries. I get it. Ya'll will pay it. Best wishes.
  10. Moving Up Trim Levels is Poor Value

    It's pretty clear to see the substantial qualitative differences between a 10$ Happy Meal and a 60$ tab and a steakhouse. In the happy meal is the lowest grade beef plus sawdust mixed in and the labor to staff a McDonalds is....I am going to keep my mouth shut...versus a nice steak house there's...
  11. Moving Up Trim Levels is Poor Value

    You can get a feel for how much it costs an auto manufacturer to add features like heated seats and automatic climate control by looking at a lower cost automobile. https://www.kia.com/us/en/seltos/specs-compare And my guess is Kia is *still* profiting even when they offer all of those things...
  12. Moving Up Trim Levels is Poor Value

    I used the Toyota website to compare the SR5, TRD Sport, and TRD Sport Premium trim levels and I was struck by what a poor value these trim levels are. You pay $6,480 over the SR5 to get a TRD Sport and that buys you...



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